Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Well, leobloom, duckling, you're certainly entitled to your opinion but I think most guests would be confused if Disney Imagineers veered off the story that so many are familiar with. Most guests expect to see the story of Snow White instead of Snow White's further adventures. It simply wouldn't make sense to them to have it any other way. Only the most abstract minds would be able to relate well to such an idea.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Seems to me that the new and rather elaborate Mermaid attraction along with the only-in-WDW 7 Dwarf mine coaster are more than a fair trade for the MK's tired Snow White ride.
Originally Posted By leobloom Wasn't think so much of the "further adventures." More like a ride that captures the atmosphere and/or characters of a film -- Mr. Toad or Pan(atmosphere and characters, but little/no movie plot) versus the Little Mermaid (retelling the movie story). Just a question of personal taste. I do wish MK had more dark rides in Fantasyland. Absolutely one of the areas where DL is superior to MK.
Originally Posted By dshyates I too enjoy the "continuing adventure" mod as opposed to the retelling of the movie. That is one of the reason I enjoy Universal's attractions so much. The only 2 attractions that they have that retells the story are "Cat in The Hat" and High In The Sky Seuss Trolly (Star Bellied Sneetchs) and that is because Theodore Gielel's widow required the story be told as is. HP and the Forbidden Journey, The Amazing Adventures of Spiderman, The Simpson's Ride, The Mummy, E. T., Jurassic Park River Adventure, Men in Black, Shrek, Despicable Me: Minion Mayhem, Bluto's Bilge Rat Barges, Dudley Do-Right's Rip Saw Falls, Twister, and T2:3D all tell original stories created specifically for the attraction.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Of course most of your examples are based on items that come from a series of TV episodes or movies with sequels so it works to go in different directions for those. But when you're dealing with a classic fairytale, trying to make it into an attraction that goes in a different direction just wouldn't work. That's why we have the Snow White dark rides we have, along with the other dark rides that stick to the established, well known adventures that came from just one movie.
Originally Posted By mrkthompsn I don't think anyone is sponsoring the ride, so obviously Disney can't afford to operate it everyday. Obviously
Originally Posted By dshyates I just think that the dark rides that retell the story are pretty unsuccessful at conveying a feature length film in under 4 mins. and 6 scenes. I would rather they not try. Maybe that is why I rarely ride them.
Originally Posted By CDF2 The more you remove the simpler and somewhat frivolous attractions from a park like WDW MK or DL the more you give up the original family concept in favor of the Six Flags or Cedar Point concepts of weaker theming in favor of standalone carny rides. What good is having a Fantasyland area of the park if its only going to be a couple of meet and greets along with a single dark ride? The difference between Fantasyland at WDW's MK and DL/DLP is hugh in terms of the amount of offerings - the latter offer families with smaller kids a place to go for 3-4 hours - the former is done in 90 minutes.
Originally Posted By tashajilek Its nice to have a good mix of rides. I really appreciate the older rides at DL and its amazing to me how long some of them have been there. Another trend i am noticing is simulator type rides are starting to be the new in thing and i really dont care too much for them. Hopefully the mine train will be good enough to justify the removal of SW.
Originally Posted By ImgineerBob Most of the fantasyland rides didn't recreate the movie exactly, they more of a revisited the settings with subtle hints of the story, which is why I like the classic fl as opposed to TLM. The orginal WDW SW ride though was very wierd. I've seen video of it and I still don't get it lol. I do like the new version though
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 I guess it's sort of an exchange. At least it's not being ripped out and no dark rides are being built to compensate. I'll miss it...sort of, but with The Little Mermaid, and the Dwarf's Mine Coaster, at least there are a couple of new things that have similar appeal. The Magic Kingdom still needs more dark rides, but at least they didn't leave Fantasyland as-is, and still rip out Snow White. That would have been...not good.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""But that's what makes MK's so lame! The Evil Queen is much more fun than that bland Snow White."" ^^THIS. THIS is what noone understands anymore. There's a REASON Walt and WED did NOT make teh dark rides about the main characters. Because they knew....the main characters being "cyphers"...it would be completly boring. That's why all the dark rides focus only on atmosphere, setting, and key moments in said films. The dark rides were NEVER meant to me an A-Z of said films.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: I'd say that's a matter of opinion or interpretation. Florida's version of Snow White worked quite well the way it was. ORWEN: And I don't think the main characters of a Disney fairy tale are boring at all. I much prefer the sweet Snow White to the evil queen. You're not supposed to be rooting for the villains of the stories, although it does seem that some people do these days. But that's just twisted.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 I think they had to find a balance. When the original Alice in Wonderland opened at Disneyland, Alice was nowhere to be found within the attraction. Guests asked all the time where she was. So, when they redid Fantasyland in 1983, they added Alice in a few key scenes. This was the same for Snow White originally. She was not in the attraction, the premise was that the guests were supposed to be "her" seeing things as she did. But, the guests were just confused. So, again, when they redid the attraction, they put her in. I don't think they have to retell the story exactly, but I do like that the characters are included within. I think a combo of key scenes, and maybe new things, is acceptable.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""I'd say that's a matter of opinion or interpretation. Florida's version of Snow White worked quite well the way it was."" When the meaning of the original dark rides have been confirmed by the original WED team and the team for New Fantasyland 83, i HARDLY think that would be my made up opinion or interpretation.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: But I didn't say anything about your having made anything up. I merely said that your comments were a matter of opinion and interpretation--with the implication that others might disagree with it.
Originally Posted By DlandDug What I am unhappy to see is the loss of the mix of attractions. In Fantasyland there was an effort to create a family of dark rides, each offering a different type of experience. When one is removed, it narrows the options. This is especially troubling in Fantasyland, where families with very young children expect to find attractions that all can enjoy together-- and where the youngest can feel a sense that their choice is just as valid as any other. I also disagree with the whole "trade-off" scenario: We are getting two new attractions, so one old one has to go away. How much better to add two new ones, and have three attractions! And there can certainly be more than one attraction themed to Snow White. I think the dark ride and the coaster are great complements to each other. You could even add another "scary" attraction devoted to the Witch (for those who are pining for that sort of thing). If the MK had limited space, I could understand removing older attractions to make way for the new. But we know that there is plenty of room for all. I am sorry that yet another charming attraction is being sacrificed for a Meet 'n Greet experience that could have been placed almost anywhere else.
Originally Posted By Scutr >>... there is plenty of room for all.I am sorry that yet another charming attraction is being sacrificed for a Meet 'n Greet experience that could have been placed almost anywhere else.<< Agreed, and that's exactly how I felt about removing Toad so they could add Pooh.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "How much better to add two new ones, and have three attractions!" The new meet and greet that is replacing Snow White will be the third attraction. Based on the popularity of these types of things, I'm almost certain that it will be a bigger hit than Snow White was.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>The new meet and greet that is replacing Snow White will be the third attraction.<< Add the meet 'n greet, leave Snow White alone, and you'd have FOUR attractions!
