Originally Posted By YourPalEd I'm getting the sick feeling that Road Trip is al franken in disguise, dying to get us to recognize him, as the minnesota candidate he is. But i think anonymity, and lack of ego, is a learned, nobel thing, once one becomes an adult. You are born without an ego, but shhh, that's a secret.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Maybe, it's Kartoonman, he sure is smart, and funny. Obviously a democrat, or non-partisan.
Originally Posted By Moderation <<<Can we join hands now and sing 'kumbuyah'?>>> <<<I've never liked that song. I always preferred ghost stories>>> Rather ironically, the only times I've found myself singing this song is in Army nondenominational church services. Back home, my pastors avoid it like the plague.
Originally Posted By Moderation I think the only viable way out of Iraq at this time is the 'federation' route. The sectarian war has moved too far along the street at this point for it to just go away. Besides, in the long run, I think it is in American interests that the shism between Sunni and Shia be allowed to florish- all we need to do is get out of the way and let the rest of the arab world get back to hating Iran.
Originally Posted By tiggertoo I’ve thought about that, just letting the Shiites and Sunnis battle it out. The problem is that it is only a few radical Shiite and Sunnis want such a war, yet, they aren’t the one paying the highest price. So while good Muslims die, the murderous one live to kill another day. If it was radical Shiite killing radical Sunni, I’d be all for the idea.
Originally Posted By DAR <<So while good Muslims die, the murderous one live to kill another day. If it was radical Shiite killing radical Sunni, I’d be all for the idea.>> Sort of like when the Crips and Bloods were going at it?
Originally Posted By tiggertoo Exactly, it's usually innocent bystanders who are killed. But at least gang members generally target other gang members. Most Sunni or Shiite terrorism is specifically aimed at civilians, not other militants.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<<So while good Muslims die, the murderous one live to kill another day. If it was radical Shiite killing radical Sunni, I’d be all for the idea.>> Sort of like when the Crips and Bloods were going at it?< maybe that's the plan - export our street gangs there
Originally Posted By DAR <<maybe that's the plan - export our street gangs there >> I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over that.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<In the end Carter will be more highly respected than GW Bush.>> The dumbest statement ever on LP. Congrats RT, nice one man.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<In the end Carter will be more highly respected than GW Bush.>> Very true, Road Trip. President Carter was honest, george bush is a known liar.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy There were over 20 reasons for going into Iraq. Which one are you talking about that was a lie? Since the democrats at the time said the same thing Bush was saying I guess they lied also. Libs are so lame.
Originally Posted By DAR <<<In the end Carter will be more highly respected than GW Bush.>>> <<Very true, Road Trip. President Carter was honest, george bush is a known liar.>> Politics around the time of Carter seem almost quaint these days. I shudder what the next thirty years will bring.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> There were over 20 reasons for going into Iraq. << Chief among them were the threat to us, the american public - nuclear programs, WMD, ties to al qaeda, and strong innuendo that there was a connection between saddam and 9/11. So much so that at one point more than half of americans believed it, and the government did everything it could to encourage this lie. None of it was true. It was a deliberate campaign of misinformation to scare and mislead the american public into supporting an invasion of iraq on false pretexts. Our own government manipulated the public into supporting an unnecessary and irrelevant war - they lied. To this day they have never been straight with the public as to the reasons for the iraq invasion - they can't, because the public would never support it. This is unconscionable. This is not some small transgression, it's about the most heinous act that our government could ever do - lie to the public in order to gain support for something that is counter to our own interests, but favorable to a small group of well-connected wealthy elite. We pay, we die, they reap. And there are a few clueless wonders left who still can't see the forest for the trees. They don't recognize blatant dishonesty even when it's staring them in the face. The american public wants out of iraq. The american government doesn't. The public will win - eventually. The current administration won't. And those, like beau, who stand on the sidelines waving flags and backslapping each other about what good americans they are, will become increasingly irrelevant with their foolish gingoistic platitudes. They just don't know it yet.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy << None of it was true. It was a deliberate campaign of misinformation to scare and mislead the american public into supporting an invasion of iraq on false pretexts. >> Why did they do this Gadzuux? You are way behind the information curve at this point. So much has been found in documents from Saddam's regime connecting him to terorrism, WMD programs, corruption and mass murder that you look foolish being an apologist for him. Instead of reading the leftist BS, read the Butler report or the Kaye report which are official documents about Iraq. Stop clinging to the Bush Lied! bumper sticker that has been debunked long, long ago. Besides, your democrat heros wanted to invade Iraq and they voted for the war.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy October 9th, 1999 Letter to President Clinton Signed by Senators Levin, Lieberman, Lautenberg, Dodd, Kerrey, Feinstein, Mikulski, Daschle, Breaux, Johnson, Inouye, Landrieu, Ford and Kerry -- all Democrats "We urge you, after consulting with Congress and consistent with the US Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions, including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Bill Clinton > February 17, 1998 "If Saddam rejects peace, and we have to use force, our purpose is clear: We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Chuck Schumer > October 10, 2002 "It is Hussein's vigorous pursuit of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons, and his present and future potential support for terrorist acts and organizations that make him a danger to the people of the united states." Joe Biden > August 4, 2002 "This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world, and this is a guy who is in every way possible seeking weapons of mass destruction." Nancy Pelosi > December 16, 1998 "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
