Originally Posted By Beaumandy John Kerry > January 23, 2003 "Without question we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator leading an impressive regime. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he's miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. His consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction." John Kerry > October 9, 2002 "I will be voting to give the president of the US the authority to use force if necessary to disarm Saddam because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." John Kerry > January 31, 2003 "If you don't believe...Saddam Hussein is a threat with nuclear weapons, then you shouldn't vote for me."
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Al Gore > September 23, 2002 "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Russell Feingold > October 9, 2002 "With regard to Iraq, I agree Iraq presents a genuine threat, especially in the form of weapons of mass destruction: chemical, biological and potentially nuclear weapons. I agree that Saddam Hussein is exceptionally dangerous and brutal, if not uniquely so, as the president argues."
Originally Posted By Beaumandy I can get you dozens more democrat quotes saying EXACLY what Bush is now accused of lying about by these same democrats. Then people wonder why the country can't trust these losers to be honest or to act with any moral clarity or core purpose? If I found dozens of Republicans totally contradicting themselves on an issue I would be totally embarrassed.. but not the libs. These people get busted lying and hyping bogus stories all the time only to shrug it off so they can move onto the next lie and scam job.
Originally Posted By tiggertoo I have to say, there certainly has been A LOT of Monday Morning quarterbacking among the Democrats in Congress.
Originally Posted By debtee <^^^Truthfully I don't think anyone knows. And that's pretty much indicative of both parties nowadays. They're like me in my first two years of college don't really have a clue. > Thanks Dar for coming back to me. It does seem that neither party has a plan for getting out of Iraq. This is pretty much what we are hearing over here from our political parties as well, we are stuck in this with you guys and the end doesn't seem close!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <It does seem that neither party has a plan for getting out of Iraq< Yep - the GOP plan is " we have to stay the course and things are better" and the Dem plan is " we have a better plan than the GOP, and as soon as you elect us we'll lay that plan out for ya "
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Every single statement by the democrats were after the lies the known traitor, george bush had made up, about wmd's. All lies. Powell lied to the world at the united nations. They have not forgiven the united states. All these lies to attack a weak country that had lots of oil. Oil that was just going to france and russia, anyway. If you want to know the question of how do we get out of iraq, i think the question isn't how, but what is the fastest direction? I think our troops, will probably be shifted to iran, by the looks of things.
Originally Posted By debtee Our government announced today it's sending more troops into Iraq. Sky news reported it was at the request of the American government. It said 38 men from special forces are being sent into Iraq. I think most Aussie's want our boys to return home not more sent in, in my opinion.
Originally Posted By Moderation >>All lies. Powell lied to the world at the united nations. They have not forgiven the united states.<< I respect Colin Powell. He was one of my commanders in Kuwait and was always a straight shooter. I don't think he lied. I think others lied to him and he was the front man who spread those lies to the world, and he feels such shame over that alone, that he has all but withdrawn from public life.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Colin powell is a traitor to the united states of america. He lied to the american people and is guilty of treason. End of story. Only a fool, or a traitor, would deny it. He brought, and presented to the united nations information, that was handed to him by people he knew had made their fortunes, by lying and attacking the american people, since cheney was first introduced by nixon into our government. Parasites are always the same. Colin powell, is not just a traitr, he is a cheap common ignorant thief. Only fools respect him. Fools, or traitors. about iraqi wmds as proof that the illegal attacks against the iraqi people, wo
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Yeah, I like Colin Powell too. Personally, I feel that he got a raw deal on that whole 'Here's the trucks that are actually transformers and have missles in them' presentation. Even Powell feels he got the shaft. YourPalEd, your assessments for anyone in the public eye are exactly the same. They're evil, liars, and full of B.S. That's just not so.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Yeah, I like Colin Powell too. << Ed has a point. Colin Powell laid down with dogs. He bears the ultimate responsibility, even if he was "set-up". And I think he understands that. He was a bad fit for the bush administration all along. He knew better than most just how dishonorable these people truly are. And he joined up anyway. Once on board, he immediately threw his own "powell doctrine" out the window. He was forced to compromise his principles right from the start. As a result, he came out sullied and diminished by his association with bush. Same with McCain. At his core, he's a decent and honest man, but every time he has any direct contact with bush, he reduces himself in stature and does damage to his own integrity. In washington, this is called 'compromise' or 'reaching across the aisle', except in this case he's ostensibly on the same side of the aisle. Even condi rice, tony snow, alberto gonzales and plenty of others are now 'damaged goods' - their reputations for integrity and honesty are compromised by their association with this administration. Bush is like the tar-baby. Any close contact at all and you can't help but get his taint all over you. Notice how republicans are madly distancing themselves from him. And some people still think bush is a "leader", except no one wants to follow him.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Here's a question for the panel: Is it time for Rumsfeld to be replaced, or is he the right man for the job?
Originally Posted By gadzuux For me - he was never the right guy for the job, because he never had the support of the military leadership. They marched to his orders, but they don't believe him or have any faith in him. Nor should they - he cavalierly dismissed their counsel before the invasion, and let them bear the brunt of his miscalculations. He's long overdue for replacement, and the choice for next secretary of defense should come from the joint chiefs - not the white house.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 One of the local papers here (no, not the NY Times) recently ran an editorial saying one of the best things we could do vis a vis Iraq would be to fire Rumsfeld. He has, they said, clearly botched the job, and has too much a vested interest in continuing the current failed policies. Bringing in a new team - who Bush would choose, of course, so presumably all would believe in some of the basic Bush tenets of the war - could nonetheless bring some fresh ideas about prosecuting the war and/or how to get out, and would also signal the Iraqi government that things are going to be different now so you'd better get your act together (if indeed, that is still possible). I tried to google it and couldn't find it, but it made a lot of sense - and this was from an editorial page that supported the invasion in '03.
Originally Posted By jonvn "I don't think he lied." I think he realized that what he was saying was not fully provable, at the very least. He knew that his statements were a lot of conjecture and that they were not based on solid fact. So, I'd say if it weren't a lie, it was pretty close to it.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I'm not sure the Bush administration can fire Donald Rumsfeld at this point. They have argued for so long now that any change in approach would 'send a dangerous signal that would embolden the terrorists' that I just can't see how they could replace him. I suppose he could always decide that he wants to 'spend more time with his family' and step down of his own accord, but I don't see that happening either -- he has consistently said that he 'serves at the pleasure of the President' meaning he has no intention of leaving his post unless he is told to do so by President Bush.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd The known traitors, george bush, dick cheney, rumsfeld, powell, his censoring traitorous son, he gave the job of our airwaves, to censor the truth. Colin powells son will be put in jail for censoring honest americans off the airwaves. He will be prosecuted and discussed 24 hours a day as the traitor, like his father, he will always be. Rumsfeld must be arrested at the same time as george bush, cheney, gonzalez, ashcroft, rove, rice, bolton, baker. All arab assets, starting with egypt and saudi arabia will be shut down. If you don't do this first, then you are committing a coverup by just getting rid of rumsfeld, who does the bidding of the parasites, and other traitors. The greed barons.
