Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<^^^It wasn't directed at management (although it is used as one by them). I was directing it to the fans claiming DL could afford to do what they do because of the AP crowd.>> Valid point! ( In best Emily Litella voice ) Nevermind!
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<^^^It wasn't directed at management (although it is used as one by them). I was directing it to the fans claiming DL could afford to do what they do because of the AP crowd.>> Couldn't you make the same arguement that all those WDW DVC owners spend a far greater amount of money at WDW than the entire visitor pool at DL? Seems to me people who actually own "a piece of the world" who be far more improtant than folks at DL would hold an annual pass. Some of those DVC owners have got to be visting at least once a year. Doesn't that mean something?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^Apparently not. And it seems like DVC owners don't give a crap about upkeep, or maybe we'd have seen a change by now. The fact is WDW is run like crap, and the vast majority of the fanbase accepts and defends it using BS excuse like the one in the OP.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Hans, it's a discussion board." It is, but as I said before you're preaching to the choir. There are what... a dozen people participating in this conversation, the same ones that participate in every conversation. So, unless venting is cartharitic for you, there really is little point in constantly pointing out the same things, negative or positive, to the same group over and over. "To me, the opposite is also tiring to read, and the constant talking about the "Top 10 Queues" in WDW is grating." Exactly my point. "I really don't see any castmembers or WDW management team members offering ANY excuses. Everything seems business as unusual at WDW." Precisely.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^WDI used the excuse last week to justify not bringing season overlays back to attractions.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I'm still trying to noodle this through..... ALL those DVC owners are not part of the equation when ALL the AP holders in DL ARE part of the equation. I am not getting the fuzzy logic here! Nope! Still not getting it!
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^Tom, there is no logic. Hence: excuses. But even then, the DVCers are not vocal about problems in the park, and put no pressure on management to fix things.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I'm still trying to noodle this through..... ALL those DVC owners are not part of the equation when ALL the AP holders in DL ARE part of the equation.<< I think the theory is that DL APers are at the park more frequently -- a couple of times a month, or for some, every week. A DVCer in WDW meanwhile would be traveling in from elsewhere, so perhaps only being there a couple of times over the course of the year. So a local person, visiting more often, would be more vocal and persistent, while someone visiting from afar may see maintenance issues as a temporary oversight, something that will be corrected by their next visit. That's the theory, I think...
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom More likely, those DVCs are so lavish it takes an act of Congess to get those DVCers into the parks! I know if I owned a DVC at the Beach Club, there is no way anyone is getting out of that "lazy pool"!
Originally Posted By danyoung ME: >Pirates, Big Thunder and the JC all looked terrific.< HOKIE: >Sorry Dan, but they weren't. I'm very close to the maintenance team of all those attractions, and the show quality has been terrible for all of them for over a year due to severely low staffing.< OK, let me rephrase. Having just experienced all of the above attractions, it was my perception that any problems weren't of such a magnitude that they diminished from the enjoyment of the attraction. I won't dispute that there may be problems there, but to me, the experienced park stormer, the problems weren't visible.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <^^^Apparently not. And it seems like DVC owners don't give a crap about upkeep, or maybe we'd have seen a change by now.< yeah that must be it, we hillbillies like crap -- unreal
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^Where did I say DVC owners were "hillbillies who enjoy crap"? There you go putting words in people's mouth. I'd use your "unreal", but it's basically par for the course with you. My statement is true. The vast majority of DVC guests are obviously not vocal about the maintenance issues across the park. If they were, maybe things would be different.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 so then I must be able to say the same about cast members and former cast memebs- they must be pleased also. What's par for the course for me is I'm sick of stupid statements like the one you made..period. We all partipate in numerous surveys per year- do we control what they do with them-- well tell me exactly how that is done ?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 you know nothing about how muc an average DVC member complains or not...but yet feel the need to paint them all with the same brush..
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Hokie, I think your assumption here is that the DVCers are not vocal and I don't know for a fact that is the case. More likely any concerns DVCers and quests have fall into the "circular" filing cabinet, you know the same one that in DL is vacuum powered.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<you know nothing about how muc an average DVC member complains or not.>> I have friends who have a pretty good idea. <<We all partipate in numerous surveys per year>> Surveys mean nothing. Complaining at City Hall and guest services means the world.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper And if you think Disney gives a crap what CMs think about maintenance problems, I've got a treehouse in Adventureland to sell ya'.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<Complaining at City Hall and guest services means the world.>> Good to know.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "And I really have to question the intent of threads titled "So what's the next excuse?"." Really? You have to question it? I thought the intent was pretty obvious! There is a BIG problem in Orlando and the OP was addressing it. It aint no mystery bub!
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "And it seems like DVC owners don't give a crap about upkeep, or maybe we'd have seen a change by now." Indeed. We have at least one on here that gives Disney a free pass all the time. A psych would say it may be because he has spent enough money that he MUST justify the value otherwise buyer's remorse kicks in. But it couldn't be that.......could it?
