Originally Posted By berol I'd understand the point if disneywatcher added, 'it's a fact and if you disagree, you're dead wrong'
Originally Posted By jonvn "the information is there" It's the same thing as giving a movie review based on the poster in the film lobby. "You basically have made up your mind all the cartoon stuff that is coming to DCA is simply NOT for you even though the stuff hasn't built" I don't like an excess of cartoon based items. All they are building are cartoon based items. This is not a big leap. As far as the power lines go, some people don't seem to actually find them that obtrusive. Again, if you've not been there, you aren't in a position to tell me, who has, how terrible it is and how dumb I am for not minding them when you have not clue one as to what they actually look like. "we were talking about Sixx Flaggs Magic Mountain everyone would have weighed in what they think of the place even if they never been" I don't think most people actually do that. Most people say "I've not been there, but I've heard..." I have been to Magic Mountain. It really is an awful place. I have not been to TDS. I have seen pictures of it. It looks nice, but I don't know beacuse I have not been there. I would not argue with someone who has been there and does like it that they are stupid for liking it. That would be and is extremely bizarre behavior.
Originally Posted By jonvn "I'd understand the point if disneywatcher added, 'it's a fact and if you disagree, you're dead wrong'" That IS what this person engages in. Be that as it may, I want you to think of a film you've never seen. Maybe it wasn't to your taste. But you've never seen it. Would you then spend six years of your life berating it? Would you go on a board dedicated to it and complain about it? A film you've not ever seen? This is in any way something that seems reasonable to you? It does not to me.
Originally Posted By berol I wouldn't argue with someone who hasn't been there either. You like red, I like blue, life goes on. I think I missed when you were called dumb, or in one eye and out the other.
Originally Posted By jonvn I have made comments about the place, based on my personal feelings of it, and was told "this is the sort of mindset that...blah blah blah." It happens often, and not just to me.
Originally Posted By berol If I were a rabid disney fan, or had an emotional attachment to the company or disneyland, I might. I also might if I get a kick out of having mental tussles, form an opinion and wrestle with the others over it.
Originally Posted By jonvn I'm a pretty rabid disney fan. On the other hand, I'm also not insane. Perhaps that is a rare combination.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney "the information is there" <<It's the same thing as giving a movie review based on the poster in the film lobby.>> LOL, that's not even CLOSE to the same thing and you know it. There are hunreds of pictures, videos of the attractions and shows, OTHER fan reviews, THAT'S what helps people determine if they like it or not. Now, if you say its closer to watching the first few minutes of a film, knowing the COMPLETE story and going on rottentomatoes.com to go through the reviews and THEN make their decision, that's a little bit closer to a better analogy. "You basically have made up your mind all the cartoon stuff that is coming to DCA is simply NOT for you even though the stuff hasn't built" <<I don't like an excess of cartoon based items. All they are building are cartoon based items. This is not a big leap.>> And how is it a big leap that the guy isn't interested in primarily carnival rides, barely theme area's, a ton of movies and a unoriginal theme? Seriously, this isn't much of a big leap either, especially when we been discussing this stuff for YEARS now . <<As far as the power lines go, some people don't seem to actually find them that obtrusive. Again, if you've not been there, you aren't in a position to tell me, who has, how terrible it is and how dumb I am for not minding them when you have not clue one as to what they actually look like.>> Personnally, I never given the power lines issue a moment's thought lol. It never even been on my 'bad' list about DCA. But its HIS opinion on the matter, although I agree he shouldn't be able to tell you how you SHOULD feel about it, but that's rather he's been there or not. I DON'T do that, to this day I have never told anybody if they should like the park or not and I been there about a half dozen times already. "we were talking about Sixx Flaggs Magic Mountain everyone would have weighed in what they think of the place even if they never been" <<I don't think most people actually do that. Most people say "I've not been there, but I've heard..." I have been to Magic Mountain. It really is an awful place. I have not been to TDS. I have seen pictures of it. It looks nice, but I don't know beacuse I have not been there. I would not argue with someone who has been there and does like it that they are stupid for liking it. That would be and is extremely bizarre behavior.>> Again, I don't think it matters if someone who has been there or not to tell you how you SHOULD feel about and yes, less so if they never been themselves, but I hear it all the time when it comes to this stuff. People have NO problem saying MM is less worthy of DL simply based on pictures and what their friends told them. People tell themselves the original DL is the best park EVEN THOUGH they never been to any others around the world. But its the park that 'Walt walked through' or some nonsense and that's all they have to say. We do this stuff all the time, let's not kid ourselves.
Originally Posted By berol On the other hand, it was senseless to apply abilene to LP people, considering none of us here were involved in DCA's planning. "does not apply" Oh, power lines. The only time I've noticed them was a few minutes into my first visit out of 15 or 20 over 5 years. Maybe the burnt coffee smell hypnotizes me.
Originally Posted By berol can't wait to see how many times jonvn and WD make the same points at each other
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<can't wait to see how many times jonvn and WD make the same points at each other >> LOL, I think we are BOTH doing a pretty good at that at the moment . But yeah, my fingers are getting tired now ;D.
Originally Posted By jonvn "There are hunreds of pictures, videos of the attractions and shows, OTHER fan reviews, THAT'S what helps people determine if they like it or not." No, that would tell you if you may or may not like something. Not whether you actually do or not. "And how is it a big leap that the guy isn't interested in primarily carnival rides" Because the place isn't just primarily carnival rides, and I don't like carnival rides myself. This is the sort of thing you find out if you actually go. Furthermore, if I did like carnival rides (which they really aren't), then it's rather distasteful for someone to tell me I've no taste if I think they are ok there, particularly if he's never seen them and seen how they work in the location. I have. He hasn't. "I don't think it matters if someone who has been there or not to tell you how you SHOULD feel about and" No one should tell anyone else how they should feel. "People have NO problem saying MM is less worthy of DL simply based on pictures and what their friends told them." I don't ever see that. I see people who have been there saying the place is a dump. "People tell themselves the original DL is the best park EVEN THOUGH they never been to any others around the world." Maybe they do. They also say the USA is the best country in the world, without having been anywhere else, either. But that does not mean you then proceed to tell people who have been to say, Korea, to tell a that person who has been to Korea all about it and give their opinion of life in Korea as if they had lived there for years.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> DW, seriously, I have NO clue how all of this started, but I think a simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice. << Since LP's board is over 9 years old, since I've been posting here for over 7 years, since I've written many posts over those years that even a child-aged sleuth can determine mean "oh, yes, that person has been to DCA!", since the LPer who initiated this silly Q&A also is *not* a newcomer to this forum, the question is too stupid for me to dignify with a serious response. Moreover, it's being asked by someone with such a ridiculous sense of reality that if, by contrast, I had a long record of writing things along the lines of: "DCA is much better than its critics make it out to be, and its theme, layout and attractions are Disneyfied enough. That's why the people who knock it are vicious and ignorant about what's really true of the park and the DisCo. And, oh yes, I visited DCA today, and it was quite crowded, but still very enjoyable. By the way, the park is only two minutes away from my home in Santa Monica!" ...the LPer -- the one with the (semi-rhetorical) question -- would look up, look down, twirl his thumbs, whistle a tune to himself, and say, "there's no reason I should be skeptical about the accuracy and honesty of what I just read!"
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> On the other hand, it was senseless to apply abilene to LP people, considering none of us here were involved in DCA's planning. "does not apply" << So the minds and perceptions of the various people posting to this board are totally different from the thinking and perceptions of the people employed in various departments of the DisCo? You'd have more of a point if LP.com attracted mostly fans of Six Flags parks, or, better yet, people who outright hated theme parks. However, I will say that because almost everyone on this board does *not* depend on the DisCo for their paychecks, retirement accounts, job promotions and interplay with bosses and managers, that, if anything, we're more likely to be tougher critics of DCA. So if an LPer is displaying an excuse-excuse, rationalize-rationalize, it's-good-enough-good-enough mentality here in this forum, imagine what he or she would be like if his job security really was on the line. If a Barry Braverman or Michael Eisner were breathing down the neck of such people, they not only would be the first one on the bus headed to Abilene, they'd be driving the darn thing.
Originally Posted By ThinkTink1987 All I have to say is, I think it is great that they want to redo DCA and stuff, but I really enjoyed going there to escape and have a completely different atmosphere, but now it seems they are making it into more like Disneyland, and I liked how it was different. I guess I wouldn't mind it if it stayed, and I am glad to see some things go, but then I am going to miss the swings, and I am going to miss the DCA entry way, but I am totally looking forward to CarsLand!!! SUPER EXCITED!
Originally Posted By bean "jonvn Sat 10/27/2007 12:40p So they are taking it out and replacing it with nothing for now? Great." well you need to understand that certain areas of the pier are going to be worked on and still try to allow the surrounding area to continue operating. Some of the areas that at the moment will not receive attractions or other facilities will be prepared for future development. The Maliboomer basically would be an eyesore for the area and to leave it there while the rest of its area is done would mean that construction crews would need to go back in there in the near future and tear things up again. The idea is to remove it and at the same time prepare the area so that it looks visually appealing but still allow for the addition of a future attraction. Note: even the eeast side of the pier will need to be remained untouched during the first make-over. screamin and Zues Carousel need to be operational until Toy story and the area is completed. Once that is done and Disney's world of Color has debuted areas of the pier that need to be finished will be worked on. Hopefully by then the entrance, Toy story Midway Mania, Disney's world of color would had debuted to offset the remaining construction zones
Originally Posted By bartholomewneff bean said: "screamin and Zues Carousel need to be operational until Toy story and the area is completed. Once that is done and Disney's world of Color has debuted areas of the pier that need to be finished will be worked on." Zues!? Are they changing the name from King Tritons?
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster disneywatcher wrote: "Since LP's board is over 9 years old, since I've been posting here for over 7 years, since I've written many posts over those years that even a child-aged sleuth can determine mean "oh, yes, that person has been to DCA!", since the LPer who initiated this silly Q&A also is *not* a newcomer to this forum, the question is too stupid for me to dignify with a serious response." I am assuming I am the Lper in question but there are others who have asked the question as well. Seriously, man, I was just joking at first but now this string of non-answers has me doubting. If you've actually set foot in DCA just say so. "Moreover, it's being asked by someone with such a ridiculous sense of reality that if, by contrast, I had a long record of writing things along the lines of: '"DCA is much better than its critics make it out to be, and its theme, layout and attractions are Disneyfied enough. That's why the people who knock it are vicious and ignorant about what's really true of the park and the DisCo. And, oh yes, I visited DCA today, and it was quite crowded, but still very enjoyable. By the way, the park is only two minutes away from my home in Santa Monica!"' Weird weird weird. Talk about a ridiculous sense of reality. "...the LPer -- the one with the (semi-rhetorical) question -- would look up, look down, twirl his thumbs, whistle a tune to himself, and say, "there's no reason I should be skeptical about the accuracy and honesty of what I just read!" Some day I hope to be able to attain your brilliant ability to read minds. Truly, you see much, oh great one.
