Originally Posted By Mr_Fluff <a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article1219241.ece" target="_blank">http://news.independent.co.uk/ world/americas/article1219241.ece</a>
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Nice link Fluff. Here is the header in your story. << Viewers have been fed a diet of partisan coverage which treats Israel as the good guys and their Hizbollah enemy as the incarnation of evil. >> Are you trying to tell us Israel is the bad guy and the Hezbos are the victims? Last time I checked, the media was producing bogus pictures that were set up for Hezbo propaganda.
Originally Posted By CrouchingTigger <a href="http://www.aish.com/movies/PhotoFraud.asp" target="_blank">http://www.aish.com/movies/Pho toFraud.asp</a>
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <LOL.... so sorry guys. I will try to do better in the future.> Forget the phone ad... I think the point is that it's all too easy to just cut and paste dueling editorials. Whatever one's viewpoint, it is fairly easy in the internet age to find a concurring editorial. At its worst, this leads to: Person A: cuts and pastes editorial, with no comments of his or her own. Person B: cuts and pastes counter editorial with no comments of his or her own. So there! Person C: Counters with a cut-and-pasted editorial yet again, with no comments of his or her own. So THERE!!! So we know what George Will or Bob Herbert or whoever thinks, but not what the posters of WE think. It seems better to post a couple of salient paragraphs, the link to the whole thing, and some comments of one's own. That said, I did find it interesting that near the end of George Will's piece he essentially says that John Kerry got the approach to terrorism right, and Bush got it horribly wrong.
Originally Posted By tiggertoo Re: post #1. Although I agree with most every point you made in your initial post, RoadTrip, I cannot help but see this as a Hezbollah victory, or at least certainly not an Israeli victory. The way I see it is, unfortunately, the only way to defeat Muslim lunatics like Hezbollah, Assad, Ahmadinejad and their ilk is to leave absolutely no doubt in the minds of Muslims that Israel has whipped the tar out of them. They have to feel so utterly defeated that their spirits are broken. I’m talking, “Why has Allah forsaken us†broken. The question becomes, is the ethical and moral price of a true victory worth it?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <a href="http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2006/08/16/will_cease-fires_never_cease" target="_blank">http://www.townhall.com/column ists/ThomasSowell/2006/08/16/will_cease-fires_never_cease</a> <<<Will cease-fires never cease? By Thomas Sowell Wednesday, August 16, 2006 How many cease-fires have there been in the Middle East -- or is the number too large to remember? Over the past half century, there must have been more cease-fires in the Middle East than in the rest of the world combined. What will this latest cease-fire do? It will give Hezbollah a breather from Israeli retaliation and allow them time to get new shipments of military equipment from Iran, rebuild their military infrastructure and prepare for the next round of attacks on Israel. Why do these phony cease-fire scenarios keep getting repeated? Because there are too many people, including many in the media, who take the corrupt windbags at the U.N. seriously -- so our political leaders have to act as if they take the U.N. seriously as well. This is a costly charade. Among its costs are human lives. U.N. cease-fires are the ultimate in feel-good decisions made by people who pay no price for the repercussions. No one in his right mind believes that either the Lebanese army or the U.N. "peacekeepers" will disarm Hezbollah. The track record of both is virtually a guarantee that Hezbollah will be able to resume war against Israel at whatever time and place it chooses. Most people have no idea how small Israel is -- and therefore how vulnerable every part of it is to its surrounding enemies. New Hampshire is considered to be a small state but it is larger than Israel. So are 45 other states. Lake Erie is larger than Israel and Lake Michigan more than twice as large. The Middle Eastern places we hear about are very close to one another. From Israel's capital in Jerusalem to Bethlehem in the Palestinian territory is only a fraction of the distance from Washington to Baltimore. Most people are as uninformed about the history of the Middle East as they are about its geography. Supposedly Jews took over the Palestinians' homeland in order to create the state of Israel. But there was no Palestinian homeland. That whole region belonged to the Ottoman Empire until the Ottoman Empire was dismembered after its defeat in the First World War. Christians, Jews, and Muslims had all lived in Palestine for centuries. In the course of carving up the Ottoman Empire to create new nations, the British set aside a small part of it for Jews -- and after violent objections from the Arabs, stalled for years on letting this bit of land become an independent nation. Jews lived in Palestine long before there was a state of Israel and even before there was an Ottoman Empire. In 1939, Winston Churchill commented that Jews in Palestine "made the desert bloom." The resulting prosperity of the area attracted both more Jews and more Arabs, including some Arabs whose descendants would later claim that Jews took over their country. After World War II and the Holocaust, Jews seeking refuge turned to their promised home in the Middle East and battled the British to seize control and proclaim the independence of Israel. In the face of polarizing hostility and violence in surrounding Arab countries, Jews fled these countries and many were absorbed into Israel. Meanwhile, Arab countries urged Arabs living in Israel to leave before these countries' planned attacks with the aim of destroying the new state. It was the Arabs, rather than the Israelis, who created a massive Palestinian refugee problem. While Jewish refugees were absorbed into the general population of Israel, Palestinians in Arab countries were kept in refugee camps for generations -- promised a right to return after Israel was conquered and the Jews displaced. After the most complete failure of the many Arab efforts to annihilate Israel in 1967, the Israelis took over lands of strategic value, such as the Golan Heights, in order to prevent them from being used in future military attacks. In all the years when these lands had been in the hands of Arab states, no one made them a Palestinian homeland. But now it has become a fervent cause to force Israel to create a Palestinian state that the Arabs never created. None of this matters to those consumed by hate in the Middle East or those in the West wanting feel-good cease-fires, without bothering to think through the actual consequences.>>>
Originally Posted By jonvn OK, I will now officially give up on my quest to get people to simply put a summary of the article and a link in here. Oh well.
Originally Posted By CrouchingTigger I give this ceasefire to the end of the month - and I'm hedging my bet by being optimistic about it. "I must acknowledge, once and for all, that the purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis." - Spock
Originally Posted By YourPalEd The problem with this planned incursion into lebanon is this: In the past israeli's, trained, and intelligent as now, would take over territory quickly from the praying, peaceful, yet taunting, arabs. I remember in 92' with the other bush, how on tv they would show scud missiles. We had tracking devices that were computerized and able to take down any missile. We put them all along the border of israel. I think only one or two missiles got in. I gather because, george bush's interests are in iraq, american interests were diverted from the critical objective of fortifying israels borders. Because of this, not one or two missiles, but hundreds are getting in. Granted, before, in 92 there were only a few being sent, and americans were accepted more, while george prefered the label of bloodthirsty. Is israel having their new orleans moment? Are they having their moment, when they realize they are on their own, and george bush, is in reality, no where to be found?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Is israel having their new orleans moment? Are they having their moment, when they realize they are on their own, and george bush, is in reality, no where to be found? < then if they wait until all is clear- Jesse Jackson will be there soon for a photo op.... <We had tracking devices that were computerized and able to take down any missile. We put them all along the border of israel. I think only one or two missiles got in. < patriot missile batteries accuracy was never anywhere near that good, and that was against larger missiles -
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Jesse Jackson? You see republicans choose the oddest people. No, we send them, Dianne Feinstein, as secretary of state. For secretary of defense i would ask arnold to serve. Non partisans aren't afraid of republicans, or democrats, it's only republicans who are afraid of everyone. I would put bill gates in charge of education. i'd see if mr. eisner, or mr. buffett would be interested in the treasury. Lot's of good people out there. Who would you pick?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Jesse Jackson? You see republicans choose the oddest people. < did you not see the 3 day photo op Jesse took while there -- all the while complaining.?? We don;t make this stuff up -- it happens...oh and by the way Jesse Jackson is a Democrat - and his son is a Democratic US Representative -- get your facts straight son. Not only was Jesse there- he continues to go there as the photograpers might need a shoot <a href="http://www.bayoubuzz.com/articles.aspx?aid=6544" target="_blank">http://www.bayoubuzz.com/artic les.aspx?aid=6544</a>
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <For secretary of defense i would ask arnold to serve< how could you ask Arnold to serve since he is a republican and you have already said all republicans are liars and traitors ? you seem confused unless you mean Arnold from Different Strokes ?
Originally Posted By YourPalEd You watched jesse, i didn't. Lot's of people have photo ops. You, not me, chose to watch jesse jackson, and then demonize him. and as for Arnold... How can arnold ever be considered a traitor, he's not even from this country. Arnold is just here because this is the richest country in the world, and he is an intelligent, good whore.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 so your statement now is all republicans are liars and traitors except arnold ? Is that right ?
