Originally Posted By FerretAfros I thought they were ditching the desert theme in Condor Flats to allow for the much larger desert in Carsland. While I feel like the current desert representation is probably a lot more accurate than what will be in Carsland (and with a much better name), it would be kind of redundant to have both areas in the same park.
Originally Posted By aracuanbird Y'know, I can understand where Condor Flats is going with its theme, but it doesn't work. Just like a wilderness theme won't work. The space is too small, too hemmed in to evoke the energy and emotion of airfields in particular or flight in general. At best, it is what a big science center might create as a "themed environment." Plop down some artifacts, build architecture that suggests real, historic places. Add some education by slapping up images of technological pioneers. Feeble. It's really a shame that the NEW DCA is steering itself toward thematic representationalism, whereby each area needs to be a plausibly realistic and complete "wrapper." I understand the appeal--it was great in Toontown and Indy, it's what TDS is all about. But it is far from the only approach to a themed environment. Why not an area of the park that relies on abstract whimsy, rather than fake-real facades? The type of stuff that the facade of It's a Small World is all about, the stuff that led to the Tower of teh Four Winds. Strong on art direction and symbolism. Appealing to the heart on a different level. It would be nice if DCA was daring enough to offer more than one design sensibility.
Originally Posted By ArchtMig >>>I thought they were ditching the desert theme in Condor Flats to allow for the much larger desert in Carsland.<<< >>>Good point. Maybe that's the reason.<<< OK, fine then. What are they gonna do with the Soarin' building? It's not like they're gonna relocate it to Carsland. And Carsland is devoted to cars, not flight. How are they going to take the only remaining part of a whole land devoted to aircraft and spacecraft and justify its huge show building surrounded by the forests of the wilderness? I know it's rhetorically asked, but count me in with the group that feels that Condor Flats should remain a desert test field theme and that they shouldn't destroy that in favor of more of the same from Grizzly, with very little point in justifying the change.
Originally Posted By bean The ideas calls for the area to look kind of like a forest outpost. The large metal tower with the engine that has steam would be turned into a watch tower. The buildings in the area would be rethemed to look like cabins and other structures that would fit the theme. The Hangar would also get a new color scheme and facade. Lots of new rockwork and many new trees added in the area. Oh by they way i am also one that likes Condor flats and really think that some changes could be done to add another attraction. The simplest way of adding some space for an attraction would be to reroute the pathway that leads from Condor Flats to grizzley peak. Basically I would create a new pathway that hugs closer to the hotel wing where the World of Disney store is. Let the pathway run partially under the monorail beamway. The Beamway could be hidden a bit by adding shields underneath the beam and then painting them green. Once the pathway is rerouted the whole area now used by the walkway as well as most of the unused desert/forest garden area would be flattened out and used to create a new attraction. To make the area a bit more organic instead of having a large show building i would create a highly themed outddor attraction with lush landscaping. Think a miniature natures wonderland. like this <a href="http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=33.808035~-117.920339&style=h&lvl=19&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=31472354&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=F2482F5CD25E33DB" target="_blank">http://maps.live.com/default.a...D25E33DB</a>!158&encType=1
Originally Posted By disneysnout That would be awesome! Bean. I wish they would happen sooner rather then later.
Originally Posted By ceot3k Once you add Cars Land, desert California is represented and Condor Flats becomes redundant. The new DCA will cover all of CA's major environments: Desert, Mountains (Grizzly Peak), Coast (Paradise Pier) and City (Hollywoodland & Buena Vista Street). (and if you want to push it, Bugs' Land is the farm/Central Valley). Setting Soarin' in a mountain camp returns it to its hang-gliding origins rather than this convoluted amalgam of hang gliding and test pilots -- I never understood why Patrick, my Captain, was treating it like an aircraft when, even in its earliest concept art, it was clearly intended to be a hang gliding simulation.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt It still won't have a decent representation or tribute to San Francisco, which is shameful.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I've been meaning to tell you DrMouse .. I really like your idea of a "Buena Vista St." entrance into Soarin'. Thankfully, another poster here showed an overhead shot of the area. Though bean mentioned an entrance cutting through eastward into Buena Vista St. is unpractical .. actually .... it looks more viable than one may think. Not that any of this is going to happen .. but it's an interesting chat .... like the Opera House/Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln, as Main Street's centerpiece attraction for years ... It would be cool to open up the guidebook to the park .. and look at the attractions list with this one E Ticket for Buena Vista Street. And since the Soarin' queue has been lacking since day one .... this would open up possibilities to a proper preshow an attraction like this should have had since opening day. Looking at the overhead shot ... I see a nice long corridor leading directly from Buena Vista St., paralleling where the current line runs at the back side of the building .. and then re-enters the current point where it splits to "hangars" A & B. They close up the front ... Then..... I'd like to see some beautiful mountain rock facade work .. that blends into the future look of what they have been talking about to change the theming of the area. And the ride itself ... listed as a "Buena Vista St." attraction has a more appropriate 1920s theme (which is when aircraft really began to take off, pun intended) .. where the Sierra Nevada motif the area will get eventually .. is only a modest appropriate theme. I like the idea the current exit stays in place .. but redecorated, of course, so .. the ride exits you in a different land, which could be interesting. but... it's not as if they have this in mind. But it's fun to talk about it.
Originally Posted By DrMouse OC, That's exactly what I was thinking. If you entered soarin' through buena vista street, then you'd have space for another attraction if you remove the taste pilot thing. maybe gold rush, sutter's mill theme??
Originally Posted By bean although that sounds interesting could you imagine the problems removing another eatery would create. not only that but i could just see the cries of many people in Burbank but especially TDA that people are entering a major attraction near the entrance then skipping every major store front in Buena vista street when they exit in another land
Originally Posted By FerretAfros But all those people who don't want to or can't ride with the rest of their group will have a lot of time to spare, and they will be conveniently located in a place with lots of shopping, and they will have to make their way past all of it to meet back up with the rest of their party. : )
Originally Posted By bean in this area that would be available if the walkway was moved there would also be enough room for a nice building. The building could have a fun animatronic show themed to the wilderness. There are several possibilities and enough room for a nice family attraction that could entertain guests with young children that can not go on Soarin. If the area was to keep the airfield theme goofy sky scool would be fun. Te themed altered a bit so that it matches the forest theme and plenty of rockwork and lots of trees to hide the majority of the structure
Originally Posted By bean here is the area again <a href="http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=33.807977~-117.920608&style=h&lvl=19&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=31472354&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=F2482F5CD25E33DB" target="_blank">http://maps.live.com/default.a...D25E33DB</a>!162&encType=1
Originally Posted By bean not sure why the whole link does not highlight showing the new pathway route
Originally Posted By Britain Uh, I would assume in this imagined scenario that people would enter AND EXIT Soarin' at Buena Vista street. I actually had this very same idea about a year ago. I don't see why some see it as impossibly impractical. It's no more impractical than the Indy building being outside the berm while the entrance is next to the treehouse. Rockwork over the whole building and you'll have a nice canyon to walk through in Grizzly Peak.
Originally Posted By dshyates I believe it would be very easy to make an entry point where I have located the push pin in this map: <a href="http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=pn193p55619g&style=b&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=31472354&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&cid=4A49B77175CBEBF7" target="_blank">http://maps.live.com/default.a...75CBEBF7</a>!115&encType=1 Then bring it right beside the line oc AC units and thsn into the show building.
Originally Posted By dshyates OK the simply aren't working, but if you look at the pic that does come up. you see a row of AC units at the top of those the only thing between them and the new entry plaza is a tan wall. put the attraction entrance there and bring it parallel to the AC units and then into the show building.
