Originally Posted By bean I agree with many of the things that you said ArchtMig but i still thinkt hat the final outcome would have made the experience of that park much more fullfilling. The idea was basically borrowed from the Disney America park just like many other parts of DCA. It kind of would have made that area the heart of the park. The dozen or more buildings making that area of the park feel less empty. Obviously that area would have been similiar to lets say New Orleans square. A place people could just walk around in shop and just relax. DCA was always detsined to grow into Timon so that area along with the other lands would have been the ones that would contain the thrills and family style attractions that a Disney park is usually known for
Originally Posted By dshyates I think that Eisner's fascination of watching little worker bees ties into his CEO mentality. People who actually work for a living have little interest in watching people work. Much less pay $75/day for the privilege.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt Those little "tours" are no different than the handful of free corporate shows and exhibits that Disneyland has had over the years. Remember the gun exhibit in Frontierland? Or the Bell Telephone exhibit at the exit of America the Beautiful. Somehow though, because they are at DCA, people want to rip on them.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Or the Bell Telephone exhibit at the exit of America the Beautiful." Maybe if they had tacked it to the end of an ACTUAL attraction? Instead anchoring an entire land. But whatever. And how long has it been sine they removed those from Disneyland? Was the DLR an international Destination Resort at that time?
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt Those kinds of things are still at Disneyland. Innoventions, for example. It was just six years ago that another Tomorrowland exhibit, The American Space Experience, closed to make way for Buzz.
Originally Posted By ArchtMig >>>Somehow though, because they are at DCA, people want to rip on them.<<< Only because there was precious little else worthwhile at DCA. So when the Company has the cojones to promote the heck out of those sorts of things as being full fledged "attractions", and the arrogance to expect the joint to be flooded with so many day ticket visitors that they exclude their bread and butter clientelle - the annual passholders - well then... those sorts of things deserve the scorn.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Those little "tours" are no different than the handful of free corporate shows and exhibits that Disneyland has had over the years. Remember the gun exhibit in Frontierland? Or the Bell Telephone exhibit at the exit of America the Beautiful. Somehow though, because they are at DCA, people want to rip on them. << I realize dshyates already makes a point ... But I just want to reinforce that the Bell Telephone exhibit was a "post show" to Circle-Vision. Adventure Thru Inner Space had a "post show"/exhibit. Carousel of Progress had a "post show" - Progress City. Over at EPCOT .. a film on Norway works as a "post show" to the Maelstrom. Image Works was a very fun interactive fun zone that worked like a post show to the original Journey Into Imagination. The Land, and World of Motion had post shows to their big, center-piece attraction. So, after growing up on the 60s Tomorrowland .. and the 80s/90s vision of EPCOT ... seeing the tortilla, and bread exhibits made me think - "Uh, did I accidentally end up in the post show, to a larger attraction here?" These are fine "post show" exhibits. As stand-alone attractions? BLEECH!
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Only because there was precious little else worthwhile at DCA." Well, isn't that what I said about 20 posts ago? The tours aren't the problem, it's that there wasn't right mix of attractions from the start. Point taken about the post show exhibits at DL, however it is also true that park guests did not need to visit the adjoining attractions to enjoy these presentations. Also, at least in the case of the Bell Telephone and American Space Experience exhibits, these displays were listed in the guidebooks as individual attractions.
Originally Posted By mstaft I used to work for AT&T/Pacific Bell. The folks from the company that worked at Tomorrowland's exhibit acted as hosts and hostesses. They didn't work on switchboards or system networks. dshyates observation is right on.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Well, isn't that what I said about 20 posts ago? The tours aren't the problem, it's that there wasn't right mix of attractions from the start.> When you put it in a nuanced way like that, it isn't sufficiently "DCA is a steaming pile of doo-doo with no redeeming value" enough for some folks.
Originally Posted By ArchtMig I think we're all saying the same thing. I was just responding to your post saying that such things at Disneyland get a pass while at DCA they are vilified. Because DCA was not well fleshed out, and what was initially offered was mostly inadequate and not up to long established Disney standards.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "I think we're all saying the same thing." Yep, and it's been that way since the park opened. It's just the tone that is a little different.
