Originally Posted By DAR <<Bush earned the vitriol of those who later criticized him. He invaded Iraq, squandered our good will after 9/11, put incompetent people in charge of important things, bowed to Cheney and Wolfowitz, blundered Katrina, inserted himself into the Terri Schiavo debate, and talked like a nervous 12 year old giving a talk in front of the school.>> I'll buy a few of those and even agree with some of them but that last one is a little nitpicky.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I'll buy a few of those and even agree with some of them but that last one is a little nitpicky.<< Of course. It was an attempt at humor mixed in with the serious. It's easy to make fun of Bush for his struggles with public speaking, but I never thought it meant he was a bad President. All that other stuff....
Originally Posted By Mr X ***We all know Michael Moore is on the extreme left and does not speak for the majority of Democrats, just like these idiots don't speak for a majority of Republicans.*** Difference: Democratic leadership does not answer to Moore or any other activist, GOPers absolutely do answer to Rush and whatever he wants to opine becomes the word of the day.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Obama supporters, as part of their bid to tyrannize America, secretly shout, "Heil Obama!" and salute at their televisions and computers whenever they see Barack - Der Fuhrer.*** I suggest that for the purposes of expressing our true natures here on the boards we indicate our loving heil's by typing a simple, understated "h.o." at the conclusion of all of our texts and posts. For the Motherland! H!O!xoxo
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Plus, I highly doubt Michael Moore makes $400 MILLION from his films. They're popular at the box, but not THAT popular. If Michael Moore was able to cut a deal with a major studio for $400 million like Rush has done with Clear Channel, he'd probably wear slightly better clothes. Not much better, but a bit better.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Bill Mann at Huffington Post wrote up a few creative ways to deal with the nutballs attempting to shout people down at town hall meetings. >>Men in White: Have two guys dress in white, loony-bin attendant coats. Then, provide them with a large butterfly net (easily built by a local theatre's prop department.) Then, each time an Astroturfer starts ranting, have these two guys throw the butterfly net over the ranter and gently guide them out the door. Now that's the kind of funny footage even Fox News might use, albeit grudgingly. << LOL!
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Who started all of this, well, none other that Speaker of the Hosue Nancy Pelosi.... <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/08/05/pelosi_town_hall_protesters_are_carrying_swastikas.html" target="_blank">http://www.realclearpolitics.c...kas.html</a> Even though I have seen NO Proof of the Speakers claims. When you say things like that, be prepared for the other side to respond!
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/pelosi-protesters-includi_n_253762.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...762.html</a> Protesters outside Denver's town hall meeting where Pelosi spoke did have Nazi references and Swastikas on signs and t-shirts. And Limbaugh compared the Obama health care reform logo to the emblem of the Third Reich, as he put it, "right out of Adolf Hilter's playbook." So this isn't Rep. Pelosi's imagination.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer First off, what Rush did was AFTER Speaker Pelosi's comments (aka reaction) Here are some interesting comments... <a href="http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_080709/content/01125107.guest.html" target="_blank">http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/ho...est.html</a> >>BEGIN TRANSCRIPT RUSH: You know, the Democrat Party... Nancy Pelosi yesterday or maybe the night before, said that people were showing up at the town hall meetings wearing swastikas. Nancy Pelosi was calling people showing up to preserve their freedom Nazis. And this is not the first time the Democrats have done so. In fact, President Obama himself, back in 2001, was on a radio station interview back in Chicago. He was talking about the courts in America and said this: PRESIDENT OBAMA: Just to take a sort of realist perspective is that there's a lot of change goin' on outside of the court that, you know, the -- the judges have to essentially take judicial notice of. I mean, you've got World War II, you've got, uh, the doctrines of Nazism that -- that we are fighting against that start looking uncomfortably similar to what's going on back here at home. RUSH: So eight years ago President Obama refers to the American court system as Nazi-like. And let's not forget Dick Durbin, June 14, 2005, on the floor of the US Senate: DURBIN: If I read this to you and didn't tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have happened by Nazis; Soviets in their gulags; or some mad regime, Pol Pot or others; that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that's not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of our -- their own prisoners. RUSH: Senator Dick Durbin calling interrogators -- members of the intelligence community, Armed Forces personnel -- calling them to Nazis for what was going on at Guantanamo Bay. Soviets in their gulags and Pol Pot. What is it with these Democrats referring to their opponents as Nazis? And then Pelosi's out saying: Oh, everybody's showing up with swastikas. BREAK TRANSCRIPT RUSH: Folks, yesterday on this program I had a pointed and very factual reaction to Nancy Pelosi accusing those of you showing up at tea parties of wearing swastikas. Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House said that you are Nazis. The leader of the Democrats in the Senate, Harry Reid, said you are sabotaging democracy. You are sabotaging the democratic process. This was all very irritating to elements of State-Controlled Media. Not what Pelosi or Reid said. They didn't even talk about that. In fact, did you know the other day Congressman William Jefferson of Louisiana was convicted? In the New York Times they never once mentioned his party which is why when I kept referring to him, it was always "Congressman Jefferson (Democrat-Louisiana)." They never put his party affiliation. So in reporting on what I said yesterday about the similarities between the radical leadership of the Democrat Party and the Nazi Party in Germany, they have had a cow! They have gone ballistic and it's interesting that they have left out who started it. They have left out on purpose -- or maybe they don't even know because the sources that provide them are well known to take things out of context. (interruption) I think you are right, Snerdley, I think they know. I played it. It was Nancy Pelosi who started it! In fact, play number seven. This is what started it all. It's a distant mic in a hallway in San Francisco General Hospital. Nancy Pelosi gets a question: "Do you think there's a legitimate grassroots opposition going on here?" PELOSI: I think they are Astroturf -- you be the judge -- of carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town hall meeting on health care. RUSH: There you have it. The Speaker of the House -- the most powerful Democrat in the House, third in line to the presidency -- said that you are showing up not with "a" swastika, not that she saw one guy with a swastika. You're "showing up with swastikas and symbols like that to town meetings." That's what started it all. Let's go to Fox Chicago, the local news Fox station Chicago Good Day, Mark Saxenmeyer. SAXENMEYER: Rush Limbaugh under fire this morning from Democrats, comparing the president's campaign logo to the Nazi swastika. An image on Limbaugh's website is infuriating Democrats who claim that he's gone too far this time. The image morphs from the campaign logo to an image of a swastika on his radio show, Limbaugh said, quote, "[A]nd if you go and take a look at this, you will find that the Obama health care logo is damn close to a Nazi swastika. Barack Obama is asking citizens to rat each other out like Hitler did." Well, Rush Limbaugh is also now calling himself the "Mobfather," taking credit for organizing the mobs at the town halls. RUSH: Mr. Saxenmeyer, I assume you consider yourself a journalist. Did you leave out the Pelosi bit in your report? Did you fail to mention that Nancy Pelosi called all the people showing up to these town hall meetings Nazis? By the way, his health care logo looks damn like the Nazi logo. I'm sorry, but it does. I didn't create either logo, but I have two eyes and I can see. "Infuriating Democrats"? Good! "If you go take a look, you'll find the Obama health care logo and..." Mark Saxenmeyer, has Obama not got a website where he is asking supporters to provide the names of people to provide disinformation about the health care system? What did I say yesterday that is not true? I don't know if Mark showed the logos to his viewers or not. Now this morning on MSNBC's morning meeting, the host Dylan Ratigan reported this. RATIGAN: Rush Limbaugh stirring the pot by comparing the left to Nazis and why not? Why not, right? It's fun. Are you crazy? Obama's health care logo, he's comparing it to a swastika. Is that productive? At what point does the right have to come down on Rush or does somebody on the right actually have to try to help solve a problem. RUSH: You idiot. We are trying to prevent a disaster here -- and if you had any gonads whatsoever, you'd learn what's in this health care debacle and you'd be warning people about it yourself. And you would also be responsible and say that Nancy Pelosi, the most powerful Democrat in the House of Representatives, called people at town meetings Nazis. Here, play number seven again. I mean, put it out there so maybe you people in the State-Controlled Media can understand context. PELOSI: I think they are Astroturf -- you be the judge -- of carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town hall meeting on health care. RUSH: All right. We are going to skip number six and we'll go on here to number eight. Chris Matthews and Bob Shrum are apoplectic that I compared the Democrat Party to Nazis. No mention here that what spurred this was the speaker of the House calling ordinary citizens Nazis. Well, here. Listen to the exchange. MATTHEWS: Rush Limbaugh today and what he had to say about the Democratic Party. (screaming) I do not know where to begin, but I'm going to start with Bob Shrum. Bob, I thought I heard everything! "They are insanely against pollution." Well, there you have it! SHRUM: (chortling) Well, they -- MATTHEWS: (screaming) Anybody who's against pollution is a Nazi! I mean, it's the most amazing thing. SHRUM: Pat... Pat... MATTHEWs: I mean, this guy is an entertainer, but is there a limit here? SHRUM: It's despicable drivel. It's factually wrong! You know, there were big German companies like Krups who helped fund the Nazi party movement. It's hard to believe since I've seen all these pictures of diplomatic conferences held in Germany with high German officials there in World War -- before World War II where they are all smoking. PAT BUCHANAN: (laughing) SHRUM: I don't think they banned smoking. He's just made this up. RUSH: I have not made any of it up. You know, I could easily say I'm illustrating absurdity by being absurd, but I'm not being absurd. Nancy Pelosi called us "Nazis," and by the way, Nancy Pelosi's not the first Democrat to call us Nazis. Let's go back to Barack Obama himself. In 2001, on a Chicago FM radio station being interviewed, Obama's talking about the courts and America. OBAMA: Just to take a sort of realist perspective is that there's a lot of change goin' on outside of the court that, you know, the -- the judges have to essentially take judicial notice of. I mean, you've got World War II, you've got, uh, the doctrines of Nazism that -- that we are fighting against that start looking uncomfortably similar to what's going on back here at home. RUSH: Well, I think I just heard Barack Obama in 2001 refer to "the doctrines of Nazism that were fighting here in our court system." And then let's go back to June 14th of 2005, Senator Dick Durbin also from Illinois on the floor of the US Senate: DURBIN: If I read this to you and didn't tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have happened by Nazis; Soviets in their gulags; or some mad regime, Pol Pot or others; that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that's not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of our -- their own prisoners. RUSH: So there you go. I'm sure you remember this, Dick Durbin referring to interrogators and uniformed military personnel at Guantanamo Bay as no different than "Nazis, Soviets in their gulags or Pol Pot." So you people on the left, you guys had the signs Bush-Hitler out there all over the place. You've been throwing this around left and right because you don't like to debate the issues. You can't dare debate the issues of this health care bill. You cannot dare. You don't have the issues on your side. If anybody's sabotaging democracy, it's today's Democrat Party. If anybody is sabotaging democracy, it's President Barack Obama and his administration. If anybody's sabotaging democracy, it is the leaders of the House and Senate Democrats who are ramming legislation through without any committee hearings, without any debate. If there is a sabotage of the democratic system, it is being conducted by the Democrat Party. END TRANSCRIPT <<
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Even though I have seen NO Proof of the Speakers claims.<< If I understood your post, DB, you're saying that there's no proof people are bringing swastikas to town halls? There's photos all over the interwebs, like this one: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/pelosi-protesters-includi_n_253762.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...762.html</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc DB, FOR ONCE, summarize in your own words and put a link. I'm not reading that much of Rush. I can already feel my IQ dropping just knowing his words are on this thread.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox The photos of the Nazi referenced signs and t-shirts at these meetings are all over the place. DB only sees what he wants to see. Like the tin hat crowd shouting at these town hall meetings, he's not interested in learning the truth, or else he would widen his searches just a teeny tiny bit and find it.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Good grief Darkbeer, PLEASE don't tell me you take anything Limbaugh says at face value. I thought better of you than that. Notice how Pelosi notes that people are showing up to these meetings with swasticas (which is you know, true) , which presumably they do to say that Obama is, somehow, a Nazi. From that, Limbaugh leaps to "Pelosi is calling YOU a Nazi." And,supposedly, that's enough to constitute "she started the whole Nazi thing." And you BUY that? Come on, dude. Seriously. You do have mind of your own, don't you? You can see the blatant manipulation of logic,can't you?
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Heck, you Guys/Gals are using the HuffingtonPost, who admits it is a TRUE Liberal (and Biased) site!
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Heck, you Guys/Gals are using the HuffingtonPost, who admits it is a TRUE Liberal (and Biased) site!<< Yes, we linked to Huffington Post because they had the PICTURES of the people showing up to town hall meetings with swastikas - which you said Nancy Pelosi started. We showed you, through the link, that Limbaugh was wrong. That was the point. I'm happy (seriously) to hear anything you want to summarize from Limbaugh. Then, I will do my best to respond to the points made. But I'm not going to read a lengthy transcript from his show. Hell, I'd even read an editorial from Limbaugh if one appeared in a newspaper and respond. But his show transcript? Summarize and link, DB, summarize and link.
Originally Posted By mawnck And the beat goes on ... <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/brad-miller-death-threat-_n_254493.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...493.html</a> >>A North Carolina congressman who supports an overhaul of the health care system had his life threatened by a caller upset that he was not holding a public forum on the proposal, his office said Friday. Democratic Rep. Brad Miller received the call Monday, one of hundreds the congressman's office has fielded demanding town-hall meetings on the health care proposal, said his spokeswoman, LuAnn Canipe. She said the callers were "trying to instigate town halls so they can show up and disrupt."<< <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/obama-allied-unions-threa_n_254204.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...204.html</a> >>The Service Employers International Union was, as one aide put it, "deluged" with calls on Friday after several conservative media outlets accused the organization of trying to assault demonstrators who had showed up to protest Obama's health care agenda. Making it even scarier for union employees, the address of the union's St. Louis headquarters was mentioned on air by conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh.<< >>"I suggest you tell your people to calm down, act like American citizens, and stop trying to repress people's First Amendment rights," one caller warned. "That, or you all are gonna come up against the Second Amendment."<< <a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0809/Palin_calls_Dems_healthcare_plan_evil_cites_threat_to_Trig.html?showall" target="_blank">http://www.politico.com/blogs/...?showall</a> >>Describing Democratic healthcare plans as "evil," Sarah Palin is warning that the proposals being debated in Washington could threaten the life of Trig, her Down Syndrome infant boy.<< >>"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care," Palin wrote. "Such a system is downright evil."<< Obviously there's nothing we can do to stop the spread of Idiot Flu, so we might as well keep pointing and laughing (while we still can) ....
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Maybe those people are showing up wearing swastikas because they are finally coming out of the closet.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Good grief Darkbeer, PLEASE don't tell me you take anything Limbaugh says at face value. I thought better of you than that." Seriously, why? What has he ever posted that came from his own thoughts than supports this?
Originally Posted By plpeters70 >>"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care," Palin wrote. "Such a system is downright evil."<< You know - this is scary stuff. Palin, and others like her, are using language here that is really going to scare the crap out of her supporters - and frightened people do really stupid things. Between getting these people worked up over health care, the economy, and telling them that Obama is going to take their guns away, these people are really setting us up for a national crisis. And let me guess, the minute someone starts shooting they'll claim it wasn't their fault - that they never actually told anyone to kill. I guess in their world it's ok to yell "fire" in a crowded theater as long as you're not the one actually trampling people on the way out!! These people disgust me.
