Originally Posted By Mr X Wow, can I kill a formerly busy thread or what?? I suppose that means that my arguments were so irrefutable, the discussion has come to a complete end. But I'd have thought some might at least lol at my amusing anecdotes.
Originally Posted By ClintFlint2 I am surrounded by big all the way to way huge family (but not my sister this time)in the form of in-laws and I now refuse to go out to buffets with them after the previous times. They load up plates sometimes two at a time as if they are storing up for the winter in some cave and it drives me sick. My in-laws are so fat and too lazy to make multiple trips to the food zone. I average 5 to 8 trips to food zones because I tend to sample a lot and if I don't like the item then very little to none is wasted while my in-laws pile on and risk not eating the item, such a waste that I can not stand to look at.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub This thread has been fun to follow but it has also helped me to follow my conscience twice this week. My neighborhood has a small drugstore and hardware store, library within walking distance. I try to give them my business(hate W-Mart). The drugstore placed a bottleof fingernail polish in my purchases. To add to the dilemna I had just been thinking I needed to buy f-nail polish for the summer/sandal season. Wow free polish then my conscience kind of said something that vaquely not honest feeling so I took it back. Then I won $20 on a scratch lottery ticket. The QuikTrip guy gave me 40- I immediately thought Free money but then that feeling ...so I said I thought it was just 20 He doublechecked and said nope 40 I am honest and lucky.So why am I feeling the mug thing is not that important? I guess I need to think about that some more!
Originally Posted By Mr X >>if I don't like the item then very little to none is wasted<< You are sure to take that "very little" with you when you leave though, and hand it to a nearby homeless person right? I mean, that'd be the responsible thing for you to do.
Originally Posted By Mr X Well, to throw in some more fuel to the fire, post 205 is interesting. I know some people, and I can sort of understand the reasoning, who think "it was they're fault, so I've done nothing wrong" and would keep the polish and the money. The fact is, in that case you didn't do anything "wrong", and there can be no consequences...for you. But when you think about it, if the guy had a short drawer by handing out an extra $20, he might have to pay out of pocket. Or, if he'd had trouble before, he could even get fired over it. I chalk all that kind of stuff to "karma", and try to do my best to fix it, as tempting as "keeping the goods" might be. I had that happen recently, actually, and had a bit of a moral dilemma about it. It was a lottery ticket thing too, and I was given 10 bucks too much. When I realized it 5 minutes later, I was like "cool. an extra 10 bucks!", but my concience got the best of me and I returned to the ticket window to return the money. She didn't thank me, which was a bit annoying, but whatever. I also was overpaid at a tollbooth near Disney once (too much change, so she was paying ME to drive through lol). That woman (a very friendly, large black lady) was REALLY sweet and said something like "Child, I can't believe you just did that. You're a GOOD boy!". That was nicer. By the way, I have some friends and family who think I'm an idiot for going the karma route. For some reason, I seem to OFTEN get overchanged or extra items or whatever (or maybe everyone does, I dunno), so when there are people with me they're always like "what are you, stupid? just KEEP it".
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<It was so ridiculous, these enormous people balancing HEAPING plates full of fried foods as they waddled back to their tables...as though there wasn't food everywhere you turned all day and night on the ship to begin with! Sickening, really.>> Yes. It is.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 I dunno about the whole idea/concept of karma. This spirit always tries to do the right thing (yeah, according to his moral compass) and he often finds that saying 'No good deed goes unpunished' to be just as true as anything ... still doesn't stop me from doing the right thing (like plucking turtles out of roadways this week), but it does make me think.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^^^ thinking is a good thing, something we need more of in today's I gotta have it now world
Originally Posted By Skellington88 >>like saying all DVC owners are bumpkins who shop at SuperWalMart on the way to their villa.<< you mean there are some who arent????
Originally Posted By MPierce >> The idea of booking meals 180 days out just strikes me on a very basic level as something absurd that Disney has forced its guests to either do, eat at less desirable locales or have fast food or go off property. << Right up there with less variety, and poorer quality, and service. >> By the way, I have some friends and family who think I'm an idiot for going the karma route. << John Lennon might just have been right.
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle At the risk of sounding like a complete glutton, my biggest problem with "piling up" at buffets is that by the time you reach the end of the plate most of it will be cold! I'm a slow eater, so I'd much rather take a small amount and go back up for more. (Other people talk about world hunger, obesity and wastefulness, and I talk about my stomach).
Originally Posted By Mr X >>I dunno about the whole idea/concept of karma. This spirit always tries to do the right thing (yeah, according to his moral compass) and he often finds that saying 'No good deed goes unpunished' to be just as true as anything<< Well, I don't really look at it like "do good things so people will do good things for you" either. More like, the natural balance of the universe is one where everyone is supposed to "do the right thing" (according, of course, to the personal moral compass you mentioned), and if you DON'T do it, even though you know you should, at somepoint it will turn around and bite you in the ass. So, I guess my karma view is more based on "don't screw up, it'll cost ya".
Originally Posted By ClintFlint2 A person buys a hotdog and soda combo at Costco for $1.50 and does not take any soda but saves her cup. That person returns 2 days later to Costco and brings her unused cup and fills it with diet coke--- is that theft?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<So, I guess my karma view is more based on "don't screw up, it'll cost ya". >> I understand that viewpoint ... many of the Spirit's closest apparitions subscribe to that. But I just don't. Without getting into religion, which I will never do here ... it reaks too much of the 'there'll be justice in the next life' mindset. I don't think what goes around necessarily come around at all. I think bad things happen to good people all the time, and they don't get any justice. I think good things happen to bad people all the time, and that karma doesn't come up and bite them on the butt. I think there are people who can't get out from one cloud before the next storm swamps them. And I think there are plenty of people who get away with murder (not talking 'bout you O.J. but if it fits ...) one way or another and never have anything catch up to them. The bottom line is the world isn't fair ... oh, and it's a big waste of time you won't get back at the end to worry about a corporation getting taken for a few free sodas.
Originally Posted By Mr X >>A person buys a hotdog and soda combo at Costco for $1.50 and does not take any soda but saves her cup. That person returns 2 days later to Costco and brings her unused cup and fills it with diet coke--- is that theft?<< Assuming she still has her receipt and there is no POLICY at the store requiring same day/same visit usage, no. Unlike Disney which has a specific policy written on the cup. If a local Burger King has "free refills" and you drink a coke, and then keep the cup and return the next day for another coke, is THAT okay? No. Obviously not. This is mostly just common sense here. And, that girl you spoke of would completely deserve the hassle she received if store security saw her...considering that's a pretty stupid thing to do. OBVIOUSLY she is begging for a misunderstanding. If she were smart though, she'd go to the counter with her receipt and unused cup and tell the cashier what she was doing first. If anyone ever really wanted to bother doing something like that. Besides, it IS a little "wrong" in a way. Because the reason they have a hot dog and coke deal at a slight discount is BECAUSE they want you to purchase both a coke and a hot dog together. If you wanted a hot dog one day and a coke another, you really should just pay for each seperately. And these hypotheticals are getting really bizaare.
Originally Posted By Mr X To sum up my view on THAT one, no it's not theft like in the case of the Disney mugs. However, it IS probably against store policy, which means they would have the right to refuse service or kick her out...probably after refunding the coke money, although they would have the right to charge her full price for the hot dog from 2 days before, AND I can't really envision how she could really prove she didn't drink any coke with the hot dog in the first place.
Originally Posted By Labuda "like saying all DVC owners are bumpkins who shop at SuperWalMart on the way to their villa." Yeah, this is kinda funny. Why? Well, when I'm staying in a villa next month (25 days to go! WOOO!) a friend of mine is joining me. And she asked me the other day IF THERE'S A WALMART on the way to the hotel. I told her no, but I'd help her find a Walgreen's and a Target.
