Originally Posted By Mr X Spirit, I understand your point too... Except that, you can't look at things just at face value. Karma goes much deeper (not talking religion here either). In the "bad things happen" etc., scenario...you have to be assuming that the "good people" come out truly unhappy and unfulfilled in the end, and the "bad people" come out happy and fulfilled. You can't know that unless you ARE those people, so it's impossible to really tell. You could assume that a good thing happened to a bad person, but you can't know if that really made that bad person happy (assuming they're really "bad", they are probably miserable on the inside and that is "karma" all its own). But sorry for getting into the philisophical...it's too deep for this thread I think. Oh, and yes stealing is bad. Not worried about it, just conversing.
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle >>A person buys a hotdog and soda combo at Costco for $1.50 and does not take any soda but saves her cup. That person returns 2 days later to Costco and brings her unused cup and fills it with diet coke--- is that theft?<< I don't really think it's theft, but I do think she should probably get a life! And I do agree with Mr X, the store would have the right to refuse her service depending on their policy.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <And these hypotheticals are getting really bizaare< see there's these 3 space aliens from the Planet Zombo....and they stopped at the 2nd intergalactic filling station outside of Mars with their titanium refillable mug..................... how far are we going to have to stretch this thing to try and get to a point where theft is not theft ?
Originally Posted By ClintFlint2 How about the cheap ones out there who plan out ahead and buy a suit, dress or piece of clothing knowing full well in advance that they are going to return it to the retailer after using it for a specific funtion or date. These people are completely ///satisfied/// with the product or item but yet they return them anyway. People do those unethical and cheap kinds of things all the time. Is it theft? Yes, it is theft. Is it a crime? most likely not.
Originally Posted By ClintFlint2 I was at Fudruckers once and saw a man dress up his burger with the standard lettuce, tomato, onion pickel ect. at the ///fixins/// bar. He then filled another basket with a huge amount of lettuce and made a full side salad out of it and gave it to his wife(presumably) to graze on. So in effect his single burger became a burger and side salad. It was so brazen and forward. Was it theft? I say yes it was theft because he used the lettuce for more than just his hamburger. He used it to feed another.
Originally Posted By Mr X No, it's not theft, it's fraud. Is it a crime? Depends on the store policy. If they have a "money back for any reason within 30 days", then no. That's the stores fault for having such a liberal return policy. But it's still lame, and fraudulent, and pathetic. What's your point?
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle >>What's your point?<< I was going to ask the same question. A man walks into a store, hits the cashier over the head, grabs money out of the till and runs. Is THAT theft? I mean, seriously, what is that example meant to prove?
Originally Posted By Skellington88 well wonders of life is closing down for good and no replacement instead disney is going to milk groups in need of convention space. I am very upset. so now its time to drown my sorrows with ice cold coca cola refills.
Originally Posted By Mr X I think you mean "bilk", dummy. ;p And it's better to drown your sorrows with booze anyway...
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>like saying all DVC owners are bumpkins who shop at SuperWalMart on the way to their villa.<< You know what I find funny about your anti-Walmarters is that in some cases, if WalMart decreased their quality they could be criticized for Disneyizing their stores. A few years back I went into the SuperWalmart on 192 near Kissimmee to get some snack food and drinks. I happened through a huge Disney souvenir area and low and behold there was almost everything that you can buy in the Disney stores. This has been my experience...Tee's that I purchased from WalMart lasted forever and they cost about $12.00 (on average) apiece. Tee's I purchased at Disney lasted about two or three washings and I paid close to $30.00 each for them. Where do I buy my Disney Tee's now, I don't think I have to explain that. As soon as WalMart lowers their quality to Disney's level I will (maybe) start buying from Disney again. I suppose an argument could be made that in order to be a souvenir they must be obtained from the place you are trying to remember. I, however, think of it as a souvenir of the trip and I still remember going to Disney so nothing is different except I didn't empty my wallet to do it. The preceding has been an accounting of my personal opinion and should not be confused with an argument inducing tirade.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Regarding the infamous soda thief here -- and the brazen way the continuance is flaunted -- I couldn't help but think abut them when reading this article in a local paper here. I am not comparing the two thefts in size - but read the excuses given in the article by the thief and her attorney - - and tell me if it rings a bell at all... ) you may have to paste it in as it is a long URL and likely will cut off ) “She continues to show no remorse for this offense; just offers further excuses.†He said she needs help, not prison. Not really theft since she needed the money -- I guess the dental office could afford it more than her, so it was OK... <a href="http://www.dailyherald.com/news/dupagestory.asp?id=324879&cc=d&tc=nap&t=naperville" target="_blank">http://www.dailyherald.com/new s/dupagestory.asp?id=324879&cc=d&tc=nap&t=naperville</a>
Originally Posted By DAR Hey I stopped at Burger King yesterday and I filled up while I was waiting for my food. Would it be okay if I went back today to get some more soda?
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 How was I able to buy a Grand Gathering sweatshirt at a Disney store in MA? There was no family name on it, but I'm guessing someone brought it back from WDW and got a refund up here. I bought the shirt legally, and next year I will be part of a grand gathering, so I can wear it legitimently then.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> The bottom line is the world isn't fair ... oh, and it's a big waste of time you won't get back at the end to worry about a corporation getting taken for a few free sodas. << I agree, but it is a worry to think some people think theft is OK. From the number of post here I would say some people are passionate about it. I really don't think a Disney forum will change everybody's mind on proper manners or ethics or make them become a person of principal, but I do think it may get some people thinking about it. If one person becomes a better person this discussion was well worth it. If not it was just a very entertaining thread that allowed everybody to look into each other thoughts on the matter. Heck, I think that's good enough to justify it going on this long. It's not about WDW being stolen from, sure they can afford it. Do they care, I don't know, but probably not. What this thread is about is right vs, wrong.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^I get that. I just don't get the passion. I wish folks would have it for other things in this country (getting a real third political party for the rest of us, healthcare for everyone, education, environment etc ...) ... and as for Disney, there are also many other things I wish fans had as much passion about. Yet this thread, which I admitedly opened, will go on and on and on ...
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I have passion for all the above ( I know you don't venture into W/E section and you're likely more sane than me for not doing so) - but I have enough passion to go around. Is the soda theft the largest issue on anyone's plate ? I hope not...but I view it as a typical symptom of a breakdown in societal norms that has led to people not caring about much of anything. I echo the need for a 3rd party with a candidate that actually cares about anyone but the lobbyists..someone to care about health care for everyone, someone to care about the off shoring of 8 million white collar jobs in the last 8 years and the continued practice that will eventually rob our children of any career opportunities, someone to care about affordable education as we slip further down the list in that arena worldwide ------- as for Disney one can be passionate about the installation of a playground for an E ticket, the moronic behavior of some guests, the walmarting of Main Street USA and other areas, management who seemingly has either no knowledge or no respect for those who built Disney - and WDW and DL etc..--- and still get ticked about the mug issue I believe there is an interconnectiveness between many of these issues.....accentuated by some of the comments posted in this thread ( not yours as there are separate sides by far on the right to refill argument ) - Maybe I am just getting grumpy in my old age....but the lack of caring for much of anything seems to be far more prevalent than the caring for all around us.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Maybe I am just getting grumpy in my old age....but the lack of caring for much of anything seems to be far more prevalent than the caring for all around us.>> You said it, bud. I keep hearing the talking heads tell me how we're the most compassionate nation on earth, but I don't see it. I guess they exist in a different dimension than the Spirit does.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey <<Is the soda theft the largest issue on anyone's plate ? I hope not...but I view it as a typical symptom of a breakdown in societal norms that has led to people not caring about much of anything.>> Amen vbdad! My issue isn't so much with people refilling their 10 year old mugs til the cows come home, but with the fact that everything's excusable as long as you make an attempt to justify it. It's not a Disney thing, it's a moral thing - people think you should be able to get away with anything now as long as you play the victim.
