Originally Posted By Skellington88 Roger55, what exactly is your problem? Its not theievery since I paid for the cup its not like we are stealing mugs here!!! Plus its not like Disney is some small busienss that im destroying by not purchasing an overpriced drink. Disney has been screwing people for years now why do you care so much? It isn't your company and the company isn't going to go banked rupt for providing us with soda for staying at their overpriced hotels!
Originally Posted By MPierce >> <<"My family can't afford to buy new mugs every trip sine we go multiple times a year.">> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!! Think happy thoughts, think happy thoughts, think happy thoughts!!!!! << Now, now Nikki, patience is a virture for a teacher.
Originally Posted By Roger55 Theivery from the rich, or thievery from the poor is all the same. And just because in ones opinion Disney overcharges for everything, that does not justify someone taking advantage of a situation to be "paid back". Since you and your family have been "screwing Disney" for so many years by not paying for mugs each time you visit(as you are supposed to), can't Disney use that as justfication to "screw" you back by charging more and more for food, hotels, admission etc? Don't argue with me about morals or ethics. I know it isn't something I can convince you or anyone else to change. Nor can you change mine. But that doesn't stop me from pointing things out and calling people out for what I see as unethical behavior.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 It is my company as a stockholder - and justification of the size of theft is an amazing concept. Also based on what one feels is overpriced product - the answer there is if it is so overpriced, do not partake. Hey, if I take a set of tires from GM or BMW or anyone else they will not go broke, maybe I'll go get one. We all pay for this, as the cost goes to the bottom line. Also where does it stop ? Sutff 8 people in a room for 4 because it's too expensive, claim that 8 year old is really a large 3 year old to save ticket money, bringing a tupperware set to the buffet dinners and loading up ? After all it does say all you can eat. None of which will break the Disney Company, so I guess they are all OK. but we have been down this path before -- and some will justify anything and quite frankly I don't have the energy to go thru this all again. Did Disney maybe do a poor job explaining the mug process at some resorts - yes. But in some cases people chose to interpret to fit their needs.... I can only speak for me but if I could not afford a $12 mug, I would not be making the trip. ( Nikki, did I get most of the highlights ? as I know you want to sit on the sidelines this time around - and I am going to do the same after this post...)
Originally Posted By hopemax Ethical behavior is a tricky thing. Once, I saw a couple people get in an internet fight over whether Ft. Wilderness guests could use the pools at the other hotels during the 70's and early 80s. There were a large contingent of people who INSISTED that it was never permitted. Under what possible circumstances could families who were paying the cheap campground rates be entitled to use the same facitilies as the families paying out big bucks to stay a the Contemporary or Polynesian. Recently, I found a WDW Vacation Guide that specifically states: "Resort guests are invited to use any of the facilities within the Walt Disney World vacation complex." My first experience with refillable mugs, they were handled just like your local mini-mart. You bought the mug and there was a fee for a refill. In that situation, would you expect to be able to reuse the mug on multiple trips? Here's the thing, though, each resort charged a different fee for the refill. Most charged $.79, some was $1.09 but the mug was cheaper, and some of the resorts...it was free. One by one the resorts started eliminating the fee. And that's when things got muddy. I am positive, that after DxL and PO eliminated their fee I saw a sign advertising the free refills for life* *mugs usuable at Dixie Landings and Port Orleans resort only I remember this, because we had been following the "what can you do with refillable mugs" on rec.arts.disney.parks newsgroup, and being extremely frustrated because I did not have my camera to take a picture. Of course, without that documentation, I know I can't even begin to convince someone that I saw it because it's not "logical," why would they give away free soda? The resort managers, and staff have changed so many times over the last decade, that it's all a mute point. I suspect, though, that at some point someone is going to get their hands on an CM manual or memo, or some flier from a resort that most people tossed, and won't that be a fun day.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^^ if the only argument was that " I was absolutely told I could use for life at this resort " I would have a lot less issue with it. it's when people start justifying why they can use at any resort ( and I remember some of what you remember and each resort had different rules - but never did I see you could use anywhere in WDW ) -- or justify that Disney 'can afford it' - and all that nonsense that it becomes unethical to me. That along with the fact that cases are made that a $12 mug will break the budget of a $3,000 - $6,000 vacation -- to me the 'trickniess' of ethical behavior stops there and becomes very clear Ok-- really, I am going back on the sidelines and let someone else take over that hasn't been thru this battle before
Originally Posted By Skellington88 Im a stockholder too and I say once you buy a disney resort mug you can use it whenever you visit the resort.
Originally Posted By Roger55 ^^Thanks for the new poilicy definition. Too bad it doesn't carry ANY weight ANYWHERE. LOL! If that's what you need to believe to justify your actions, go right ahead and keep doing what your doing. But I will keep believing that you and others alike are part of the "problems" Disney faces. When(if ever... correction if POSSIBLE) you are in a real position where you can set Disney's operating policy, I'll be one of the first to abide by it. Oh, and as a stockhoplder, I SAY "ban people for life from Disney proprties worldwide if they reuse their old mugs on subsequent visits". I kinda like this new found authority provided to me by owning Disney stock! What other companies do I own stock in that I can have some fun defining their policies for them? Hmmm??? ROFLMAO!!!
Originally Posted By SuperDry I always get great amusement out of the "They're a big company" justification for theft. And please note that I'm setting aside the issue of whether or not some people were told about free refills for life, whether this was actually policy at the time, and so on, and am referring only to the notion that "We paid a lot of money for our rooms, and they're a big company, therefore we'll take free soda on our own initiative" sort of mentality.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Im a stockholder too and I say once you buy a disney resort mug you can use it whenever you visit the resort. < I've already said it's your call - but I disagree, and would hazard a guess most stockholders would disagree -- except back in the days of ENRON, TYCO etc.
Originally Posted By MPierce The mention of a refillable mug can sure be a fun topic. On my older larger style mug from the WL it saids nothing, on the newer style cup holder sized mugs it clearly states by the handle " Free Refills Until The End Of Your Stay". I guess that is their official position if they choose not to enforce it that's their decision. I sure hate to see everything unique, and original to WDW disappearing.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 If you pay a lot for your room, can you take home the pillows too? Do you own 1 share or 1,000 shares? Stealing is stealing, regardless of price.
Originally Posted By hopemax I have seen people argue that you shouldn't take home the toiletries provided in the room. Or fights over how many is okay. For example, if you stay one night in a hotel, most people are okay with taking the one toiletry home. However, if you stay 12 nights, does that entitle you to twelve sets of toiletries or should you limit yourself to a few?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I figure if they are not something I want to use while there ( otherwise I would be using them) - then why would I want to take them home at all ?
Originally Posted By hopemax Well, the situations that I have seen this come up was because there was/is (Not sure if she still does it) would take the unused toiletries and give them to cancer kids (along with other goodies). And then other people started collecting them and sending them to her.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 Actually it seems like the new policy is free refills for life and the signs that say "good for your stay" are actually old and outdated. How do you know that Disney didn't change there policy once they realized it was dumb?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 30,000 hotel room x 4 people each = 120,000 people per day 120,000 people x 3 free sodas/day = 360,000 ( some higher - some lower) 360,000 x 365 days = 131,400,000 so if everyone does it - even at .20 cents ( which is likely the cost of the soda itself, but does not include delivery / set up / etc - all the labor charges = $2,628,000 likely at least double this for labor costs of the sodas / taxes etc...and lost interest on the revenue not being collected. so approx $5M per year -- gee - who cares -- because they can afford it.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 Your not adding in the cost of actually purchasing a mug which is expensive in itself and the average family of 4 buys 4 mugs! So if every room is "stealing" soda like you claim in your data (which isnt true the portion of people with refillable mugs is very small) you must multiply the # of rooms with at least 2 mugs per room. Your only looking at things from one angle. Very narrow minded.
