Originally Posted By Skellington88 Your not adding in the cost of actually purchasing a mug which is expensive in itself and the average family of 4 buys 4 mugs! So if every room is "stealing" soda like you claim in your data (which isnt true the portion of people with refillable mugs is very small) you must multiply the # of rooms with at least 2 mugs per room. Your only looking at things from one angle. Very narrow minded.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 Your not adding in the cost of actually purchasing a mug which is expensive in itself and the average family of 4 buys 4 mugs! So if every room is "stealing" soda like you claim in your data (which isnt true the portion of people with refillable mugs is very small) you must multiply the # of rooms with at least 2 mugs per room. Your only looking at things from one angle. Very narrow minded.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 Also, don't forget that the people who refill the mugs are also purchasing $$$ food as well.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 Next Vbdad is going to complain that people are using too many napkins at the resorts because napkins cost money too.
Originally Posted By hopemax I think you dropped a 0 and it's actualy $26.28 million doubled $52 million. But, you could also look at it this way. 4 people per room, 3 sodas a day, call it $.40 per drink = $4.80 per room. So raise the room rates $5 and let the guests think they are pulling one over on Disney. Who knows, maybe that was done back in the day. But then they really started beating the "every thing must be a profit center" drum got pulled out, and so things like "we'll give a break in column A, because we'll make it up in column B" got thrown out the window.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 I LOVE REFILLABLE MUG THREADS!!! Although I (unlike VBDAD, who like putting on a tiara and DVC tee and prancing through the 'hood at 3 a.m. touting the virtues of Old Key West, can't stop himself) won't say anything about the mug issues as far as what the carousel of policy is/was as it relates to them. I'd rather point out that after finding $45 salmon and a $37 filet and a $26 chicken entree on the menu at Artist Point tonight, that Dieter has decided he needs to push his profit margins higher for the summer season ... and discourage any local from ever dining on property and any guest from staying without buying the Cruise Line DDP.
Originally Posted By disneydad109 WE are not talking about What you are, just how cheaply you sell yourself,when you steal some watered down soft drink.
Originally Posted By grammy954 the calculation on the amount of "stolen" soda is flawed. You are making some assumptions. Many of those 30,000 rooms are filled with people who may be on their one and only trip to WDW, or maybe they get to go every 5 years and do purchase new mugs, or maybe there are some who actually go more often and do indeed purchase new mugs, or maybe they don't even drink soda and don't buy mugs. My mugs were purchased years ago, and at the time, were advertised that you could bring them back and use them each trip forever.
Originally Posted By hopemax It's been a LONG time since I've gotten involved in any refillable mug debates. It's been a slow week However, > without buying the Cruise Line DDP You are not the first person who has mentioned the cruise line. I know someone else who has been mentioning trying to convert WDW into a cruise line model from the moment the plan was announced. And I hear you about the locals. I talked to my parents yesterday, about the ridiculousness of having to call in 10 days to make my Birthday dinner reservations (it's our year to go to my parents for Christmas, so WDW too). My Mom thought it was funny until I asked if we were thinking about doing either Christmas Eve or Christmas Day at WDW this year. And then I got a really long pause because it's WAY to early to be thinking about that.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Your not adding in the cost of actually purchasing a mug which is expensive in itself and the average family of 4 buys 4 mugs! So if every room is "stealing" soda like you claim in your data (which isnt true the portion of people with refillable mugs is very small) you must multiply the # of rooms with at least 2 mugs per room. Your only looking at things from one angle. Very narrow minded. < not narrow minded at all - compared to the comment that Disney can afford it so who cares. yes add in the cost of the mug - so each trip there's another $48 of lost revenue -- this is not hard to follow. it was done as an example that we are not talking about 20 cents here - but I guess I am wasting my time as you have different financial accounting skills than myself
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Also, don't forget that the people who refill the mugs are also purchasing $$$ food as well. < And that would have to do WHAT with the soda ? they are totally separate -- I boughtfood at the grocery store today - they didn't give me free soda --
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Next Vbdad is going to complain that people are using too many napkins at the resorts because napkins cost money too. < no, next you may explain how stealing is not stealing if it is done against major corps - and in dribs and dabs at a time -- amazing. Everything does cost money - if you cant afford a $12 mug - stay home
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <the calculation on the amount of "stolen" soda is flawed. You are making some assumptions. Many of those 30,000 rooms are filled with people who may be on their one and only trip to WDW, or maybe they get to go every 5 years and do purchase new mugs, or maybe there are some who actually go more often and do indeed purchase new mugs, or maybe they don't even drink soda and don't buy mugs. My mugs were purchased years ago, and at the time, were advertised that you could bring them back and use them each trip forever.< geez, I have an MBA I understand a financial analysis - I stated it was quick and dirty to show it wasn't 20 cents of theft. If you want a complete financial analysis I'll do one for my hourly rate - give me a break. And whether you go every 5 years or every year - someone is in that room --so that part if not flawed. And since no one ca n provide the number of people who purchases mugs I cant have that fact either. OK people - it is an example of what the high end COULD BE - -- I am done with this argument - all I can say is if someone came in front of me as a judge and said, it isn't stealing because I pay that company lots of money for other things, and they can afford the loss anyway - and I can spend thousands on a vacation, but need to prostitute my morals by ripping off soda....I would do to them what the judge did to Paris..... You do whatever you want, it's your conscience.... Nikki, you were smart to stay out of this one... ethics and morals in this country are in the tank -- and very few seem to care...
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <My mugs were purchased years ago, and at the time, were advertised that you could bring them back and use them each trip forever. < I do 2 -3 trips per year every year and NEVER remember that language - but I have already said if that is what someone has ( is there a sticker to that effect or anything else ? ) - that is a different argument than : they can afford it, or it's only 20 cents, or I spend lots of money ( like they are the only one) -and therefore they OWE me -- that is the bull in this argument.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^ I see people every year at vero beach who bring mugs from WDW and try to use them to fill up the entire family at the resort -- and make a huge scene if anyone calls them on it -- again whining over tacking on that $48 for a family of 4 to a $5K - $10K vacation. Amazing
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I guess I just do not consider myself to be 'entitled' to anything in this world just because I partake in other activities that may be related. Some do, that's your business, I want no part of it.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Next Vbdad is going to complain that people are using too many napkins at the resorts because napkins cost money too. < just a juvenile response, doesn't warrant more comment
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I boughtfood at the grocery store today - they didn't give me free soda -- >>> You should have just shoplifted some! After all, soda doesn't cost them that much, and they're a big company.
Originally Posted By Labuda Ok, I'm not yet near the end of this, but Skellington REALLY has me hacked off: "Actually it seems like the new policy is free refills for life and the signs that say "good for your stay" are actually old and outdated." On that I must say BS. The mugs, and stations, both state free refills UNTIL THE END OF YOUR STAY. Get over yourself, kid. You're stealing, end of story. Just embrace your lifestyle of theivery, or spend the measly $12 to get a new mug each trip. OR, DON'T GO IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO DO IT WITHOUT STEALING. &*#$*(&#&$*(
Originally Posted By SuperDry The only thing that makes this situation ambiguous at all is that I have no doubt that some guests were at some point told by a CM that it was free refills for life at any WDW resort. And, it *may* actually have been policy at one point (although I remain unconvinced). This is completely separate from someone buying a new mug knowing that the current policy is "refills until end of stay only" and on their own deciding to help themselves to free product because they've paid a lot of money for their vacation, because soda doesn't cost them much, or because they're a big company.
