Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey Hey. if you want to drink that nasty Florida tap water, be my guest - I think they should pay YOU to drink it.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 >Just STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY YOUR STEALING, Skellington. You're a thief - quit trying to justify your thievery and lack of morals and ethics, please< Im not a thief im a pirate!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <(BTW, the math earlier in this thread was extremely bogus. EVERYONE doesn't get the free soda, and the actual cost outside of paper cups and straws is fractions of a penny per glass. Not that that makes stealing right, of course.) < Danny, I already stated that is was quick and dirty as a worst case scenario since the main person ( not Spirit btw) - said it was only 20 cents and Disney is a large company so who cares. The math was done to show it is not 20 cents either...
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^ next time I will do a professional project management presentation if they will give me the bandwidth to put it in...Powerpoint and EXCEL
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^ btw it also did not include time value of money, lost revenue for decreased sales of said mugs, lost interest on those sales, therefore decrease reinvestment opportunities and said lost revenue from those.... and the money spent to put up signs for thiefs.... but I digress.... as a certified project manager - when Disney wants to pay me the going rate to put together a 100% correct analysis, I would be glad to move to the WDW area for a year or so. ( also add my cost then into the thievery )
Originally Posted By hopemax > Water's ALWAYS free. This brings up something, why is ice water at Disney free? It costs Disney money for the cup, and if a CM needs to dispense it, labor costs. But yet it is free. I have however, been to enough places where you are charged for a cup of ice water, that I predict that 50 years from now, the idea of getting a free cup of water would be so foreign, that if you told someone that you got one for free, they will believe you must have stolen it. And if a CM gave you a cup for it, the CM must not have been following the rules either which doesn't justify it. Crazy you say, well in 10 years of Disney discussion I've seen several things that were "common knowlege" in 1997 become an absolutly ridiculous idea in 2007, so heavens knows how much things will change in 50 years.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo "as a certified project manager - when Disney wants to pay me the going rate to put together a 100% correct analysis, I would be glad to move to the WDW area for a year or so." I knew you were certified alright? ;-) What methodology do you use VBDAD. Here in the UK I am a certified PRINCE2 practitioner. Also you forgot about the amortization figures in your outline business case!
Originally Posted By Roger55 Some more food for thought... Since some people are using the "grandfathered" clause saying that at one time they were told drinks are free for life, how would this translate to the currently free Magical Express service from MCO to the resorts. If some day Disney decides they will start charging for this service, do you think they will continue to give free service to any of us that once used to use Magical Express for free? I can here it now... "Why can't I ride for free? I was told by Disney back in 2007 that Magical Express was free and I never paid for it before."
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Ah yes, but they do have a disclaimer on ME, free until (whatever revue period they put on their blurb). I remember clearly seeing this and as I booked my trip 11 months in advance, I was worried about missing out on the free window. There were no such disclaimers with the mugs. If I recall at Dixie Landings it was reported as free refills (no parameters), Grand Californian it was free for duration of stay (which they have now suspended due to abuse - sign of potential at WDW?), and AKL was free for duration of stay in 2006. So there have been policy shifts. I don't mind if people refill old mugs for that one resort, but I hated seeing KSC and USO mugs being filled at WDW, or Pop Century at AKL.
Originally Posted By Roger55 <<Ah yes, but they do have a disclaimer on ME, free until (whatever revue period they put on their blurb). >> Ahh, but I'm positive certain people will have selective memory and claim they never read or were told this.
Originally Posted By danyoung Dan: >BTW, the math earlier in this thread was extremely bogus.< vbdad: >Danny, I already stated that is was quick and dirty as a worst case scenario...< Hey, dad, I certainly didn't mean to offend. In fact, if I'd recalled that it was you who did the math I would have said something like "with all due respect to my friend vbdad....". Where your number came in way too high was in the assumptions, that there were 4 people in every room, that every room is filled, that every person in every room is drinking free soda, and that every soda costs $.20. So I guess you really were doing a WORST worst case scenario! I would think that less than 10% of the guests would use the mugs. Using your math, that's 12,000 a day. I'm also guessing that the cost of the soda and ice would be around 2 1/2 cents each. The total there is $300/day, or $109,000 per year. Still a chunk of change, but much less than the millions previously quoted. And I think my numbers are still too high.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <What methodology do you use VBDAD. Here in the UK I am a certified PRINCE2 practitioner< Same methodology , different institute and name - I am certified thru PMI here in the US as a PMP. Some of my counterparts on projects are Prince2 - the formats are fairly identical as far as step indentification.. I am also Lean Sigma certified.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo *Shudders* Good fun. I am excited about a new programme I am creating a vision for. I don't know if it will fly, but if it does...well let's put it this way, NikkilovesMickey would be in for a whole new world in here up coming role.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Dan: >BTW, the math earlier in this thread was extremely bogus.< vbdad: >Danny, I already stated that is was quick and dirty as a worst case scenario...< Hey, dad, I certainly didn't mean to offend. In fact, if I'd recalled that it was you who did the math I would have said something like "with all due respect to my friend vbdad....". Where your number came in way too high was in the assumptions, that there were 4 people in every room, that every room is filled, that every person in every room is drinking free soda, and that every soda costs $.20. So I guess you really were doing a WORST worst case scenario! I would think that less than 10% of the guests would use the mugs. Using your math, that's 12,000 a day. I'm also guessing that the cost of the soda and ice would be around 2 1/2 cents each. The total there is $300/day, or $109,000 per year. Still a chunk of change, but much less than the millions previously quoted. And I think my numbers are still too high. < no sweat Dan, I understand and yes I did a worst case and even $109,000 is a far cry from 20 cents -- I also see people using old mugs from elsewhere at Vero beach -- ( and likely happens at Hilton Head also ) - add in DL and as any numbers indicate it is not nickels and dimes....likely not worth their efforts to tick off guests - but how many of these guests also feel 'entitled' to other things while on their stay....just IMHO
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Well it was enough to stop the Grand Californian offering this amenity!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 yep, but those who abuse it could care less about us... we are viewed as suckers
