Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< On top of that its very amusing (and sad really) to see a bunch of grown men on a disney message board freaking out over a kid taking advantage of free refills. >>> The reason some people are freaking out is because someone keeps posting justifications on why stealing is okay (as long as it's from a "big company" among other reasons). That's what's sad in this thread.
Originally Posted By ClintFlint2 ///Theivery from the rich, or thievery from the poor is all the same./// No, it's not. And yes, it is.
Originally Posted By ClintFlint2 You see it depends on how we look at it. From the dishonest one's perspective it doesn't matter if she is taking from a rich or poor because a sin is a sin is a sin. From the victim's point of view it matters a great deal like night and day. The rich are not victims wheres the poor are affected terribly.
Originally Posted By DAR Stealing is stealing. Period end of story. It doesn't matter if that victim is a big corporation like Disney or some mom and pop store. When I go I'll probably buy a mug. Use it for the length of my stay. Then use it again when I return to the Riu in Playa Del Carmen. Apparently if you bring anytype of mug down there, they will fill it up for you.
Originally Posted By ClintFlint2 ///Stealing is stealing. Period end of story/// I guess next you say /// killing is killing/// or driving over the speed limit is wrong ALWAYS. not the end of the story. Sometimes there are victims and sometimes there are not. Furthermore people should not take from Disney because it hurts all of us.
Originally Posted By DAR Okay if I'm at Bill Gates house and I take something of his without his permission, then that's stealing. If I take something from my neighboors house without his permission, that too his stealing. If Disney gives people permission for free refills during their stay, not stealing. But the case here seems to be that it's good once per trip. BTW do AP get a special mug if they want?
Originally Posted By Skellington88 Well next time you guys are at WDW let me know...drinks are on me!
Originally Posted By MPierce >> guess next you say /// killing is killing/// << Yes it is, in certain cases it is justified, and not against the law. However if you shoot somebody in self defense, and they died, you have still killed that person. Next time substitute the word murder instead of kill it changes everything doesn't it. I don't think you will find a case of justified stealing. Especially at a WDW resort that you are already paying a pretty penny for. >> From the victim's point of view it matters a great deal like night and day. The rich are not victims wheres the poor are affected terribly. << Let me see if I understand what you are saying. A person works hard, makes a lot of money that means it's OK to steal from him. They are not a victim. Something really seems wrong with that thought process to me.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> On top of that its very amusing (and sad really) to see a bunch of grown men on a disney message board freaking out over a kid taking advantage of free refills. << Maybe those grown men. and women would like to see you grow up to be a happy productive citizen of our society. A person who is respected for their principal, and moral character. I bet your parents would like to see that also.
Originally Posted By ClintFlint2 Ok Pierce you don't understand and you assume too much. Where did I say it was ok to steal???? Where did I say it???? HINT: I didn't Next time please read more carefully before you lay into another around here. And if someone is worth millions and another swipes a dime from him the rich person was unaffected thus unvictimized--- common sense. Furthermore, stealing in all forms is sinful and wrong for the person doing it victim or no victim. Are we clear Pierce?
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 ^^^How many people have to steal from the someone worth millions before that someone does become a victim? Pierce makes sense, you don't.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Where did I say it was ok to steal???? << Read what you wrote below. If there is no victim, then no crime was committed, thus if no crime was committed it's OK to steal from rich people. If you steal money from anyone they are a victim. There are degrees of theft, however taking something from someone else is still theft, and the person rich or poor is still a victime Common sense reasoning on my part, however I think you might be a little lacking in that department. If you honestly think that a person is not a victim if they are rich you are very lacking in other things beside common sense. >> Sometimes there are victims and sometimes there are not. <<
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 153 posts and counting ... yep, I like to think I gave the Laughing Place a gift that keeps on giving ...
Originally Posted By AuroraRose <<You know the mugs are fine if you're spending a day at the hotel. But why would I want to carry one around with me at the parks.>> I'm with you here, the less to carry, the better. I also don't get packing a bunch of mugs in your luggage for vacation, bringing them home as a souvenir is one thing, but actually packing them to take back to disney is a little extreme to me.
Originally Posted By MPierce ^^^ Like I said earlier, it's hard to beat a refillable mug thread. I think you should post one every month!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^I wish fans were as passionate about Disney matters that actually counted for something. Whether people think it's wrong or not, the folks here worry about it a helluva lot more than Disney does.
Originally Posted By AuroraRose <<And when the MK is turning into a dirty, generic Disney's Magic Character Park, I find that worth a whole lot more attention than the thought that somebody who's paying $300 a night and $50 for a family of four to have burgers and fries might be taking soda ... I just don't again see why one makes so many people so angry and the other elicits a ho-hum recation from many of Disney's 'fans.'>> i too find both sad, i think part of the problem is some people do not remember what disney was like 10-15-20 years ago when the park was actually themed and not generic. when a piece of paper hit the floor it was cleaned, cast members went out of the way for you, they meant it when they said have a magical day, it wasn't the sarcasticly veiled curse it is today--everything was shiny and well kept, and disney wasn't about packing people in and getting all the money they could it was about actually creating a magical experience for a family. now it just feels...wrong when i go. i look around and feel sad. Maybe i'm remebering things through rose colored glasses, but i feel as though i'm watching a relative deteriorate over time, and there's absolutely nothing i can do to stop it or save it, all i can do is watch as the standards fall lower and lower. I guess the "its OK to steal" mentality just proves how low it can go.
Originally Posted By ClintFlint2 Ok Pierce this is the second time today that you assume things about my position or you can not read very well; maybe it's both now that I reflect on your comment. And lee9 it looks like you might need some junior college class on critical thinking or logic.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<i too find both sad, i think part of the problem is some people do not remember what disney was like 10-15-20 years ago when the park was actually themed and not generic. when a piece of paper hit the floor it was cleaned, cast members went out of the way for you, they meant it when they said have a magical day, it wasn't the sarcasticly veiled curse it is today--everything was shiny and well kept, and disney wasn't about packing people in and getting all the money they could it was about actually creating a magical experience for a family. now it just feels...wrong when i go. i look around and feel sad. Maybe i'm remebering things through rose colored glasses, but i feel as though i'm watching a relative deteriorate over time, and there's absolutely nothing i can do to stop it or save it, all i can do is watch as the standards fall lower and lower. I guess the "its OK to steal" mentality just proves how low it can go.>> It's a very good point and one I touched on somewhere in this thread. While stealing is wrong (although soda isn't walking out of the WL with the new LCD in your van), the whole idea that some people feel Disney's got it coming speaks to a frustration amongst some people that wasn't around when Disney adhered to its own standards.
