Originally Posted By AuroraRose <<It's a very good point and one I touched on somewhere in this thread.>> i figured someone would have, i'm actually just reading all posts now--i tried to stay away and not get sucked in, but i had some down time in work : )
Originally Posted By Labuda "A person who is respected for their principal, and moral character. I bet your parents would like to see that also." Actually, I don't think they do - after all, would they encourage him to steal if they wanted him to grow up and become a productive, respected member of the community?
Originally Posted By Skellington88 aurgghhhh this thread is making me thirsty. Perhaps I will make a quick stop at disney world on the way home for some free ice cold beverages.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 >>>>And lee9 it looks like you might need some junior college class on critical thinking or logic.<<< I was just questioning your logic.
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle >>When MK gets a good cleaning, rides get up to Anahiem and Tokyo standards and we get an E-ticket I will drop my vendetta and purchase a new mug every trip<< As others have said - find an excuse and stick with it! Either you've been told it was policy, or it doesn't "matter" to Disney anyway, or you're trying to get Disney to "improve" its standards by taking money from it (that's my personal favourite). You can't have it all ways! >>From the victim's point of view it matters a great deal like night and day. The rich are not victims wheres the poor are affected terribly.<< What the ... that is stupid. The rich aren't victims? >>Let me see if I understand what you are saying. A person works hard, makes a lot of money that means it's OK to steal from him. They are not a victim. Something really seems wrong with that thought process to me.<< Amen to that. This sort of attitude is everywhere, and it really bugs me. One of my family members worked extremely hard from a VERY poor background, created his own company from scratch and now has plenty of money. He was robbed on a train once of thousands of dollars in jewellery and money. He was on a holiday in France at the time and it ruined the holiday, he had to cut it short and come home and hasn't been back since partly due to that experience. But, hey, he's rich. He's not a victim. I know, being a corporation, it's not exactly the same thing, but the principle is the same. "Steal from the rich, they don't need it".
Originally Posted By Skellington88 I heard the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy was inspiried by Soda Thievery Soda Thievery = Ship Thievery After all stealing is stealing right?
Originally Posted By Labuda ^ Yep, stealing is stealing. And Pirates is a fantasy world created by Disney, while you're just a plain ol' thief.
Originally Posted By Mr X >>without buying the Cruise Line DDP What's the cruise line DDP? I will chime in, even though I still have a hundred plus posts to read. If in fact the policy is unclear, with some CM's even telling people it's fine to take drinks stay after stay as some have indicated, then I think it's fine for people to assume they can use the mug for drinks anytime, unless told otherwise. But to try justifying theft because of any of the following... "it's a big company" "Disney is so expensive, we can't afford it" "they're ripping US off, so it's fair to turn the tables" "soda only costs a nickel, what's the harm?" "the mugs cost a lot of money" ALL of that is complete, utter, unethical justification for a crime. I hope you (you know who you are) are not passing on such "ideals" to your kids! Pathetic.
Originally Posted By Mr X Shouldn't have posted. Just realized that VBDad touched on all my points way back in post 54.
Originally Posted By Mr X >>>FWIW, they have a refillable mug for sale at Colonial Williamsburg. They advertise that it is good through the end of the year.<<< You know, if this is even an issue for Disney, there you have the perfect solution. Granted, SOME people might make the trip twice in a year, but not all that many. So the majority of people will use if for their whole stay and that's it. Print a big DATE (year only) on the mug, and presto...no worries (CM's should be instructed to politely but firmly take issue with outdated mugs, as some knuckleheads are sure to continue trying to abuse the system). They could even grandfather the first couple of weeks of the year in case some guests checked in over the holidays.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I heard the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy was inspiried by Soda Thievery Soda Thievery = Ship Thievery After all stealing is stealing right? < and your point would be what ?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Shouldn't have posted. Just realized that VBDad touched on all my points way back in post 54. < no problem there - nice to have someone else look at the same thing the same way -- also your examples are neater
Originally Posted By vbdad55 The day I start packing mugs to travel to WDW to save $12 is the day I realize I really can't afford to go there anyway.. and become more fiscally responsible ASAP.
Originally Posted By u k fan I would never take a Mug back to WDW, the policy whenever I've been there has been clear it's this visit only, aside from that who wants to schlep a mug halfway across the world just to save a few dollars? Especially when my usual flight cost is $800 before I've even thought about lodgings, passes etc. But, I have done this and I'd be interested to know people's thoughts. I'm at a buffet breakfast. I have an apple on my plate that I can't finish because I'm full. I put the apple in my bag and eat it later in the park. Is this wrong? If I leave the apple on my plate it will be thrown away and wasted. Is that wrong? Have I cursed the apple to either become "exhibit A" or thrown away before it fulfills it's "Christmas destiny"? Can I take the apple with me?!!!
Originally Posted By ClintFlint2 ///Can I take the apple with me?!!!/// Not only you can take it out but you have a duty to do it. 10 times more sickening to me than theft is senseless waste. 2 out three people go hungry today and for us very fortunate one-third in this world we need to start appreciating things around here like basic living necessities. If you took the apple and intended to eat it at the restaurant but found you were too full to eat it then it is yours. Carry it out and enjoy it later and if you feel guilty then hand it over to someone who is wayward and destitute(if that person is in easy reach).
Originally Posted By MPierce >> ^^I wish fans were as passionate about Disney matters that actually counted for something. Whether people think it's wrong or not, the folks here worry about it a helluva lot more than Disney does. << That's probably true, however matters concerning ethics seem to be important to some people here, so it makes for a lively thread. Even though it has strayed from your original intent on posting. >> While stealing is wrong (although soda isn't walking out of the WL with the new LCD in your van), the whole idea that some people feel Disney's got it coming speaks to a frustration amongst some people that wasn't around when Disney adhered to its own standards. << I agree with you, and I know you are not condoning theft. Besides those flat screen TV's aren't really that great. However they are better than those little 19 inch units they use to have. If anyone feels justified in taking soda water (yes that's what they called it in East Texas) because they are getting less than stellar treatment from Disney, I would suggest they need to find another spot to vacation or constantly bombart Guest Communications with their complaints. There is absolutely no justification for stealing, in my opinion. Until I get the e-mail address of the higher ups at WDW I am limited to Guest Comm., and this forum in taking out my frustration. >> Ok Pierce this is the second time today that you assume things about my position or you can not read very well; maybe it's both now that I reflect on your comment. << OK Clint let me spell it out for you. I do not assume anything from your post. I read them, and logically try to ascertain what you are trying to say. I may not read very well, however I do understand ethics, and moral fiber. I am starting to wonder if you can.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> The day I start packing mugs to travel to WDW to save $12 is the day I realize I really can't afford to go there anyway.. and become more fiscally responsible ASAP. << >> would never take a Mug back to WDW, the policy whenever I've been there has been clear it's this visit only, aside from that who wants to schlep a mug halfway across the world just to save a few dollars? Especially when my usual flight cost is $800 before I've even thought about lodgings, passes etc. << I think even a moron would find it hard to argue with these post by VBDAD, and U K FAN. >> 10 times more sickening to me than theft is senseless waste. 2 out three people go hungry today and for us very fortunate one-third in this world we need to start appreciating things around here like basic living necessities. If you took the apple and intended to eat it at the restaurant but found you were too full to eat it then it is yours. Carry it out and enjoy it later and if you feel guilty then hand it over to someone who is wayward and destitute(if that person is in easy reach). << I'm sorry I must have missed this post you are quoting could you direct me back to it. I can't read very well, and I don't want to assume something that you are trying to infer. >> Well next time you guys are at WDW let me know...drinks are on me! << Skellington you continue to make yourself appear foolish. I'm really sure your a nice young lad deep down inside, you just seem angry all the time. I've tried to give you good advice for your posting style. Your account was suspended over on WDWmagic for this same style in posting. Dobbie is much more tolerant than Steve, however I feel you are headed down a path where no other poster will respond to your post. It's really your decision to make.
Originally Posted By ClintFlint2 ///I do not assume anything from your post./// At the very least you interpreted something I wrote incorrectly and then ran away with it to suit your own understanding at my expense and at the very most willfully embellished. I suspect it is somewhere in the middle but I don't know. Let's review some exonerating passages what I wrote: post #144: "from the dishonest one's perspective it doesn't matter if she is taking from a rich or poor(person) because a sin is a sin is a sin" translation for you since you seem to have a hard time figuring it out: theft is wrong whether from a wealthy person or poor person. post #151: "Furthermore stealing in all forms is sinful and wrong for the person doing it" translation for you again: theft is wrong. It's all there in plain English. I'm done with you on this topic since you seem to be hard-headed and like to recklessly assume things and or twist.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> At the very least you interpreted something I wrote incorrectly and then ran away with it to suit your own understanding at my expense and at the very most willfully embellished. I suspect it is somewhere in the middle but I don't know. << I only quoted you in those post. Maybe you need to go back, and reread your entire post, and please explain how I got them so wrong. Did you or did you not say when you steal from a rich person they are not a victim. It's all really that simple. >> It's all there in plain English. << I guess I need to work on my English more. >> I'm done with you on this topic since you seem to be hard-headed and like to recklessly assume things and or twist. << Yes, my wife would agree with you that I am hard headed. Please don't go away mad. At least tell me where in the heck you got that apple post above, and tell me what you were trying to say. Pretty Please.
Originally Posted By Mr X >>10 times more sickening to me than theft is senseless waste. 2 out three people go hungry today and for us very fortunate one-third in this world we need to start appreciating things around here like basic living necessities.<< Meh. Theft is worse. Unless you can find a way to send that half eaten apple over to "the starving kids in China", what the heck is your point? The fact is, the worlds' hunger problems stem from distribution and corruption, not how much food John and Jane Smith throw away after dinner. And anyway, that "clean your plate" attitude is what makes so many people fat. Aside from a buffet, would you also condemn the "irresponsible" person who was served a gigantic portion and didn't finish it, and didn't wish to carry around greasy, unappetizing leftovers home with them?
