Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> That's the primary reason I don't think highly of Illuminations. The globe. It's a lull in the show. And I honestly don't know why so many fans adore Illuminations. I simply don't understand it at all.<<< >>>^^agreed! that's usually the time we hit the stores in Italy!<<< The music, meaning, ethos and symbolism of the show are truly amazing. You do realize that it's SUPPOSED to be a lull in the show as the Big Bang has occurred, and that conventional lights and lasers aren't used as Man has not progressed enough on the planet to use them? We only see fire and light once that time in History has passed.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Probably because the score is amazing, as is the story of humanity told in the presentation. I love it. What I do not understand is why people will spend a fortune to fly 1000's of miles, pony up a shed load of cash, to stand with a teenage girl/20 something with a rubber head on, after waiting ages in a line. But they do. Heck, they are even ripping out an attraction in Florida for this<<< I SO agree with this. Funny how there is such a rift between two types of fans...
Originally Posted By A Happy Haunt Is this the same old show or did it get a face lift because I only stand in line it meet Cinderella once!
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Funny how there is such a rift between two types of fans...>> Not really. It is very possible to like both.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Is this the same old show or did it get a face lift because I only stand in line it meet Cinderella once!<<< RoE has been playing since 1999, but it has had some tweaks, one of which, in 2008, totally refurbished the globe, and made it highly visible. The screens are now crystal clear on them.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Not really. It is very possible to like both.<<< You rarely get that, though... LOL
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Cool - I LOVE the footage on the globes. It was hard to see before. But they are fantastic!
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<You rarely get that, though... LOL>> Maybe in the fanboi community. I'm guessing the vast majority of guests highly enjoy both shows.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper As do I. But both are in desperate need of some upgrades and changes.
Originally Posted By leemac <<But both are in desperate need of some upgrades and changes.>> I'd hate to see RoE retired. I'd also hate to see Gavin Greenaway's score removed. Happy to see the contents changed but they can't remove the music - it is the finest Disney score, period. We have already lost the only other Greenaway score (BraviSEAmo!) and I'd be heart-broken if RoE and We Go On disappear.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I'm guessing the vast majority of guests highly enjoy both shows.<<< I rarely see anything but families in the lines for MGs.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I'd hate to see RoE retired. I'd also hate to see Gavin Greenaway's score removed. Happy to see the contents changed but they can't remove the music - it is the finest Disney score, period. We have already lost the only other Greenaway score (BraviSEAmo!) and I'd be heart-broken if RoE and We Go On disappear.<<< Agreed totally. RoE should be built back up around it's score. But besides that, it doesn't need a lot.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I'd hate to see RoE retired. I'd also hate to see Gavin Greenaway's score removed. Happy to see the contents changed but they can't remove the music - it is the finest Disney score, period. We have already lost the only other Greenaway score (BraviSEAmo!) and I'd be heart-broken if RoE and We Go On disappear.>> Sure, the score can stay. But the show is getting old. It's time for a lot of new effects in it. No nighttime show should go unchanged for 10 years. <<I rarely see anything but families in the lines for MGs. >> Huh? Since when did Meet and Greets get brought into the discussion? And even then...the vast majority of guests ARE families.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo When we talked about people going to meet and greets. some said they do not understand why people like IROE, I said I do not understand why people travel the distances at the cost to do the meet, greet and grope thing.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Sure, the score can stay. But the show is getting old. It's time for a lot of new effects in it. No nighttime show should go unchanged for 10 years. <<I rarely see anything but families in the lines for MGs. >> Huh? Since when did Meet and Greets get brought into the discussion? And even then...the vast majority of guests ARE families<<<< I agree. But RoE is, even unchanged, the closest that they have gotten to perfection. It needs to be modernized in it's "look", though. And this whole convo was about MGs... Some of us like pyro, some of us like MGs.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 I say let Gavin Greenway compose a new score for a new show. I liked both RoE and BraviSeamo, so I think he could do it again.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer That's the other option, I agree, Gurgi. But I even wonder if he could top RoE. It's spectacular. And though I love BraviSEAmo's score and realize that it's a different type of music, he certainly didn't come close to RoE in that composition.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> The music, meaning, ethos and symbolism of the show are truly amazing. << I'll grant you that the score is very impressive. In fact, I'd say it's the best thing about the show. >> You do realize that it's SUPPOSED to be a lull in the show as the Big Bang has occurred, and that conventional lights and lasers aren't used as Man has not progressed enough on the planet to use them? << You do realize that the symbolism of the show is lost on the vast majority of guests. In fact, I only heard the "story" of the show a couple of years ago (and probably from someone on here). So despite the lull of the globe making sense according to the story, I question whether or not it makes sense from an entertainment perspective. I'm also not sure how the globe is justified by this: 'Man has not progressed enough on the planet to use them.' I thought the images on the globe depicted people, civilizations, etc. Doesn't all that stuff imply that humankind has progressed enough to use fireworks and lasers in the show. (Maybe I'm missing the point about the images on the globe.) >> We only see fire and light once that time in History has passed. << Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've never picked up on that. Why is fire and light used after the globe, according to the story? Representative of global conflict and warfare that is neverending? I admire the show for its ambition, but it ain't Picasso's "Guernica."
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo That is because Guernica is an atrocity depicted, showing how aweful the Franco empire and the Nazi tests on civil control impacted the town. IROE shows how great humanity and the planet can be. I totally got the symbolism first time, and love it more and more each time I see it. It is one of the few things where I feel WDW has a best of breed attraction.
