Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>And apparently not wanting a middle section that drags is now catering to the lowest common denominator? Lol<<< Yeah, because why kill off the symbolism and the story if everyone enjoys the thing anyway? People are always fascinated with the globe.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Night shows don't have to be all fireworks, all the time, Hokie... Look at how well BraviSEAmo worked.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I feel badly for the world if a 'bright shiny thing' is more important than a back story -- yes that would be catering to lowest common denominator IMHO
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^ Agreed. All we want are huge explosions, pretty lights, and noise! Never mind the fact that a subtle, symbolic and beautiful tale is being told in the perfect venue for it. It's reasons like those that put Disney above the rest, even today.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Night shows don't have to be all fireworks, all the time, Hokie... Look at how well BraviSEAmo worked. >> I'd be lying if I didn't say the first half of BraviSEAmo looked boring as hell. Until the fire started it looked like dullsville.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper Yes. Shoot me. I want more fireworks in a fireworks show. I'm obviously an imbecile.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I think Illuminations is great as it is. I appreciate the "lull" in the show. All fireworks all the time would get to be a little boring. To me that middle segment builds anticipation for the final pyro display.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I think Illuminations is great as it is>> It is a great show. But it's also 10 years old. Time for some changes.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Tour groups: Thankfully we missed them at DAK and Epcot but that Sunday in DHS was probably the most crowded I've ever seen that park - it was very uncomfortable. CMs need to be empowered to deal with their pushing, shoving and queue jumping otherwise they will ruin the experience for other guests. I was shocked at how unruly the Brazilian teenagers were this time.>> We were at the Studios that Sunday also. It was worse than I have ever seen it before!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Yes. Shoot me. I want more fireworks in a fireworks show. I'm obviously an imbecile ----- hyperbole does not a case make.. and is Illuminations JUST a fireworks show ? I've never seen it advertised as such- come see Illuminations- a fireworks only show. The Lights action stut show gets ripped for being a lot of blow em up with no story and now illuminations is supposed to be all boom all the time ? I can get a fireworks show many places- but not story telling
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper And a straw man argument does not a case make Please, explain where I said they should get rid of the story? Right. I didn't. The middle portion drags. It's a great show, but the middle portion drags. Time to update the show, and change some things around.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper And LMA is ripped because it sucks, not because of lack of story. If anything there should be MORE boom in it.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 The middle portion drags. It's a great show, but the middle portion drags. ------- opinion...doesn't make you right or wrong but that's just an opinion, not everyone agrees that som sort of dramatic pause is 'dragging' on the story Would be like telling Led Zeppelin to go back and remake Stairway because some parts drag too much, want more solo guitar...
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<The middle portion drags. It's a great show, but the middle portion drags.>> I tend to agree with this too, and I think it's because they rely to heavily on the globe for a long stretch of the show. Had they used more fountains during that segment, and maybe projected images on them too, I think it would have been more effective. But just starting at a tv screen for long periods of time seems to slow the pace to much. And as much as I like this show, I'm ready to be "wowed" by something new. I'd like to see them develop a show that goes back to the original spirit of IllumiNations - one that celebrates the actual countries of the World Showcase more.
Originally Posted By leemac <<<<The middle portion drags. It's a great show, but the middle portion drags.>>>> Not to disagree per se but I think this is endemic of modern society. RoE runs 9:31 (and 11:57 with all of We Go On) - it isn't a long show by Disney standards at all (think less than half the length of Fantasmic! and even shorter than Wishes). Personally RoE works on multiple levels - you can either just sit back and enjoy the show or you can immerse yourself in the story-telling. Granted some folks might not grasp all of the story but ultimately you should be getting: Acceleration Chaos Space Life Adventure Home Celebration Meaning It doesn't have the same narrative arc of usual Disney shows - much like all of Epcot's Millennium Celebration it just feels more adult and upscale. Exactly the type of product that should be featured at Epcot.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<it just feels more adult and upscale. Exactly the type of product that should be featured at Epcot. >> I don't disagree. But I also think less of the globe portion would be beneficial.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<It doesn't have the same narrative arc of usual Disney shows>> This is definitely one of the things I love about this show. I'm getting so tired of every Disney nighttime show having the same arc - happy beginning, adventure section, romance section, villains/conflict section, and happy ending. It's getting to be so repetitive!
Originally Posted By MousDad I agree with Spirit. I do not have enough faith in the company that, when the day comes to replace RoE, it will be replaced with something better. It will be replaced with something kewl and synergistic, like WoC. Hence, I say, don't touch it.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<It will be replaced with something kewl and synergistic, like WoC. >> I'm actually hopeful that this won't happen at EPCOT. They had a huge opportunity during the Millennium celebration to add more "synergy" to EPCOT, and yet, somehow they restrained themselves and we got RoE and Tapestry of Nations - two shows with no characters in site. And the one thing that was "synergistic" - the Mickey wand - was reviled and hated by almost everyone. I'm hopeful that they understand that EPCOT is not the place for character shows.
