Originally Posted By Darkbeer I think the key is "It is NOT Jonvn's Sandbox". I have no idea what he did, but he "broke" the rules of LaughingPlace, and got banned.
Originally Posted By Mr X I'm glad you put that in quotes, Darkbeer. As for whatever rules he might have broken, if the management saw it that way they should've asked him to go away a LONG time ago. Jon has posted very consistently over the past year, at least, nothing new or different has occurred except perhaps that some new posters came on board and didn't like him. Also, it should be noted that very few of Jon's posts ever got erased (ADMINED). That would not be possible if not for the fact that he PURPOSEFULLY tried to remain within the rules.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer I remember that Jonvn was asked earlier to not post at LaughingPlace. I don't remember the exact reason why he was asked to no longer post at LP, and it might have been Jonvn's decision to not post instead of being banned, but he was not part of the "LP" family for a year ot two due to the "situation".
Originally Posted By Mr X That was many years ago now, and when he came back he did specifically adjust his posting style to conform to community standards. There are PLENTY of posters on LP who got the red pen far more often then him (myself included), he was very careful to NOT break any of the rules. That's why this is so peculiar.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper What is done is done. There are a couple of choices. You can go with the flow or you can choose not to participate here anymore. Unfortunately, it is that simple. At this point it is a he said/he said and based on everything we have heard we won't know the reasons and if you need to know the reasons before you are settled with all of this you are going to be disappointed. My only suggestion, which I made to Jon (too little, too late), Cape Cod Joe, Beaumandy and others is that you challenge ideas and not people. X and I have had conversations about staying in the Catholic church that have been about ideas and not about people. He has challenged my decision to stay involved in the church even after a damaging scandal. But, he has not called me a supporter of child rapists or someone who condones that behavior. I think we (and I mean our entire society...starting with television) need to go back to the debate standards of yesterday. We are all getting caught up in this Hannity & Colmes, O'Reilly, pundit driven way of arguing and it is nothing but ugly. Here is a thought. If the passion you have about your position is so strong and you feel so right in your thinking there is no reason you should have to resort to attacks, back handed or otherwise. Our "leaders" are setting a terrible example.
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Originally Posted By danyoung >...he PURPOSEFULLY tried to remain within the rules.< Mr. X, I understand that you feel strongly about this decision. But I can't understand why you continue to hold onto the above, when several times rule # 7 has been invoked - 7. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS I can say from very personal experience that he most definitely went out of his way to attack me personally and repeatedly. It got very ugly many times, and most times I eventually bit my tongue and stopped the back & forth just to let threads go back to what they were discussing. I don't know if this is the reason that he's been banned, but it would have been more than enough for me.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***What is done is done. There are a couple of choices. You can go with the flow or you can choose not to participate here anymore.*** Interesting that you would put it this way. There is a THIRD option, one which the catholics have stood by vehemently. Stay and fight. In THEIR case, I think it's a screwed up way to think about things. But in THIS case, I sincerely believe the cause is worth fighting for. And "the cause", for what it's worth, is free speech. The management has given in to whatever pressures have come around (recent ones, it seems), and decided to silence a long time voice. That, in my opinion, stinks. So, I stay and fight. Since there's no reason not to (no LP hierarchy supporting kiddie rape or trying to cover it up, or anything as horrible as that), I'll just keep voicing my opinion until they, inevitably, shut me up.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***But, he has not called me a supporter of child rapists or someone who condones that behavior.*** For what it's worth, I think that one who funds the church through donations IS supporting the child rapists. So, in a way, yes I AM saying as much. Sorry, but that's the truth as I see it.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***and most times I eventually bit my tongue and stopped the back & forth just to let threads go back to what they were discussing*** Yes, yes. You are a perfect human being and he attacked you without any cause or justification. I get it.
Originally Posted By Doobie Mr. X. How can you be so certain that you know what's going on here? You are just plain wrong and the certainty with which you're saying everything is baffling. If you want to continue to criticize me you may. I haven't seen any personal attacks so you're welcome to continue. But I promise you, you absolutely do not know what you're talking about on this matter. Whether you think my own personal beliefs caused me to ban jonvn or you think some new posters came on and raised such a ruckus that I had to ban him, you're simply wrong. If that were all it took to ban someone we'd have many, many more people banned from the boards than we do now. I hate to keep repeating my self, but none of the speculation either for me or against me as to the reasons jonvn is not on the boards is correct. And for obvious reasons I can't post publicly what is correct. Doobie.
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Originally Posted By Doobie Just to reiterate - I'm not going to allow continued criticism of jonvn. He's not here to defend himself. Doobie.
Originally Posted By DAR I think Doobie has done more than enough to explain his position. I suggest that we respect that.
Originally Posted By Lady Starlight Doobie, Thank you for standing up for Jonvn when he isn't here to stand up for himself. I do hope that perhaps Jonvn will someday be able to come back to LP and post again. LP to ME, is going to be like a Disney story without that great villian. Jonvn, I'm still rootin for you and hopeing you will come back to LP one day soon.
Originally Posted By danyoung Soory, Doobster. I was answering an ongoing point in the discussion, but I understand your position, and will comply.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Well X, you see it as me supporting child rapists and I see it as me supporting the thousands upon thousands of chartiable efforts that the Catholic Church addresses on a daily basis. Based on my limited and one sided feedback on what happened I do agree that this banning seems suspect. But, this isn't about free speech. The speech on this site is restricted as per the guidelines set forth by the owner. I can disagree all I want but it is irrelevant b/c, as I say to my son on a regular basis, "thems the rules."
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<I'm sure Doobie has good reason (no reason for me to doubt our leader).>> FWIW, Doobie is not our leader. He is our host, and we are his guests when we post here. And let us not delude ourselves. LP is a business, not a social club (I have no idea if its profitable).
