Originally Posted By Darkbeer >>I loved for example trying to explain how without DCA, DL might very no longer exist in Anaheim in 2008 << Can we change DCA to Westcot? How much "better" would the entire Disneyland Resort be with Westcot as compared to DCA (as the New York Times reported, DCA being built "on the cheap") ??? Was the expansion of Disneyland to the Disneyland Resort good? Heck yes, additional hotels and shopping were a very positive change. Alas, the second park, when delivered in early 2001, was very weak, and failed to deliver.
Originally Posted By Mr X They should really consider adding "be likable" to the community standards. Then the bootings would really be legit.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<it's entirely another when you just muzzle someone because some Disney execs don't like what the poster says, the attention the poster is getting at high levels of the company and that the poster's views wind up in mainstream media.>> Holy crap!! The Spirit is really OLIVER STONE! Just joshing my friend, but no one will ever convince me that jonvn’s banning had anything to do with his opinions about Disney or Disney Parks.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer >>and yes, since I know for A FACT that posts from this site are regularly read and monitored here at high levels I'm not about to get into a debate with anyone over it ... you either believe it or you can be blissfully ignorant.<< I am pretty sure EVERY Fortune 500 company has employees that follow what is said in the Media and online, and they are fools if they don't! To come to LP and claim that Disney doesn't do it is just a joke. Heck, I have been handed more than one of the online "summaries".
Originally Posted By jdub >>I am also baffled. But not satisfied. In fact, I'm disappointed.<< Me, too. I was around to witness the live zapping of jon's attempted "goodbye" posts, and it was a ridiculous thing. LP was on lockdown, real emergency---whoooop!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I will post a little more over the weekend, but being a first hand witness of the deletions and having to speak in code was the start of a VERY bad day.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<To come to LP and claim that Disney doesn't do it is just a joke. Heck, I have been handed more than one of the online "summaries".>> Does Disney do it? Of course they do. Does LP ban anyone because of what appears on those summaries? I truly doubt it.
Originally Posted By idleHands >>Does LP ban anyone because of what appears on those summaries? I truly doubt it.<< It's not because of what's on the summaries. It's because of who reads the summaries, and what action they decide to take because of them. Jonv's writings as of late on many boards, not just LP, were getting more than average attention by the Burbank execs. And his latest writings about the small world changes were getting extra special attention. The connection between Jonv's posts and LP pertains to someone with great influence, possibly financial, regarding this web site. And that individual is very close personal friends with key senior executives at WDI. The very same WDI execs whose projects Jonv has been strongly criticizing. Jonv's ban probably had more to do with what he wrote on other web sites, than what he wrote here. As Spirit noted earlier, this whole situation was probably a setup from the beginning. The newbie troll was not punished nor banned, and this person had registered as a member just days before Jonv gets kicked off LP. Coincidence? I don't think so. This is one the primary reasons I stopped posting on LP, months ago. I don't appreciate the uneven application and uneven enforcement of the community standards. Some people are kicked off at the drop of a hat over misunderstandings, while others post their daily vitriol and personal attacks and never get the boot. Jonv had significantly cleaned up his behavior these past few years, and yet he still gets banned, while newbie trolls are allowed to essentially roam freely. I feel Jonv was setup to get kicked off. I believe the newbie was a plant, and that Jonv was deliberately baited by the newbie so LP could find some thin lame excuse tied to community standards in order to kick him off "legitimately." Jonv really did nothing that scores of other posters on LP haven't done. So how come he gets banned and they don't? This sticks.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Damn, this conspiracy runs so deep, lol... Do you really think Doobie has the patience or time to come up with such an elaborate plan.... It's his board, he can kick any of us off for any reason, he wouldn't have to go through the trials of making a plant, baiting jon etc... You guys are way out there flapping at this point.
Originally Posted By leobloom idleHands, you do realize how paranoid you sound at this point, don't you?
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Not only that, but, the drama has reached a laughable point. In my opinion everyone that had something to say, for or against, said it ages ago. All everyone is doing now is losing credibility by whining constantly and acting like children having a temper tantrum. Jon was, and probably will be again, just another poster. He had some times when he was articulate and made powerful arguments. He had times when he just argued for the sake of arguing. He had times when he was downright abusive, insulting and out of line. Some of that righteous anger should be funneled into the good of mankind, like feeding the hungry, supporting worthy charities or generally fighting for causes that matter. To fight like this over something as insignificant as this event and to defend someone that has shown constantly that he was unable to even acknowledge any point of view other than his own, much less ever even see that side. Well, that makes no sense. We all know that he will be back in one form or the other, it's time to move on.
Originally Posted By Mr X Goofyer, please don't try to make your opinion sound like the voice of reason. It isn't. It's just your take on things. Others think differently, myself included. And it's not all about Jon. Many people have sort of made an internet "home" here, and have concerns about what sort of comments might be used against them to kick them out. The fact that he was booted out in such an "out of the blue" way, is scary and disturbing. Even Doobie MUST admit that Jon has not changed his style much whatsoever in the past year. If it was okay for a whole year, why now? Vague references to "we've been watching you for a while", and "it has become out of control", and "our moderators can't cope with so many complaints", really don't cut it. I'm hardly the only one who is seeing this, or upset by this.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Like I said...let it go. And if you had read the second line of that message it said..."in my opinion".
Originally Posted By Doobie Why now? For the 1,000th time, I can't say. If you know jonvn, ask him and if he wishes to talk about, that's his right. He and I seem to be pretty clear on things at this point. At least in what he's written to me. I've talked to him several times over the past couple of days. Doobie.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Like I said...let it go.*** Why should I? As I said, it's a crappy way to treat someone who has been posting for years and was simply trying to make an effort to say "goodbye" only to be toyed with by some faceless moderator time and again. It was a nasty scene. More than one LPer has mentioned that it was very depressing and unkind. Heck, I've been bombarded with emails about this situation. I've never seen so many people upset (nor have I seen so many people joyful) over a ban. Obviously this guy is a polarizing figure. Makes you wonder who Doobie is really sticking up for (in my opinion, it's probably his mod crew). Why exactly should I let that go anyway? Because you say so?
