Originally Posted By barboy "I'm surprised to see how passionate Mr. X is about this." I'm not. X has always championed free thought and he does his own thinking unlike so many out there. He doesn't seek shelter in the popular or safe speech zones; he rises up showing his integrity---- good for him and too bad he is a minority.
Originally Posted By BeautysBeast Lets hope jonvn pops in and lets us know what he thinks.I like it how everyone comes out of the woodwork to be heard.This is best thread in a while, keep the posts comin fast and furious. Good Stuff!!
Originally Posted By Schmitty Good Vibes >>>I liked your Grandpa's comment. And I don't find it offensive.<<< I agree, but I thought it was inappropriate. There are standards afterall.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "X has always championed free thought and he does his own thinking unlike so many out there. He doesn't seek shelter in the popular or safe speech zones; he rises up showing his integrity---- good for him and too bad he is a minority." barboy- surely you know with your vast layman's knowledge that free speech does not extend to private enterprise, i.e. coming on to this website and emitting whatever uncensored thoughts that might come to one's head. There's no integrity in continuing to do so after being asked to curtail such activity. If X or jonvn wants free speech protection, they can start their own sites. One of them already has done just that.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Here is part of a REAL e-mail I got from Jonvn this morning, and it makes some very good points... >>Thanks! I'm so glad we're able to exchange emails. I really don't want there to be schisms in the Disney fan community. I think that's wrong, and it's unfortunate. I would like us all to be friends, and that means everyone.<< >>I'm going to stay away from the forums. Al had it right 10 years ago when he decided to not post on them any more. We're very much alike, which caused a lot of friction. Two ticking egos who know they are right. But it's taken me this much longer to finally get to the same point of having had it (which I admittedly caused in him). I probably, in a perverse way, have helped him a lot. Eh, I'm talking about him because you are close to him. I do want to make amends, though. I just don't know how to do it or if it is even possible. I don't expect anything. For my part, I don't want to be and refuse to be angry at anyone. It's just not who I really am. Believe it or not, I try to be as good a person as I can. I just don't succeed at it sometimes, I suppose.<< Folks, read the comments, and please take them to heart, it is time to move on.
Originally Posted By BeautysBeast Hey Darkbeer, thanks for sharing that..Im sure jonvn will be heard from again.Look at all th others who have either been previously banned or claimed never to post here again.Sooner or later,barring a few, they all come back.
Originally Posted By barboy "barboy- surely you know with your vast layman's knowledge that free speech does not extend to private enterprise" --sure do, I was speaking in generalities of "free speech" meaning the right to express an opinion and not some 1st Amend. application or rights against the gov't--- as interpreted from the Bill of Rights or 14th Amend(extending to to states). Yes, I know LP is private. And on healthy discussion boards(be they private or public) posters need to breathe.
Originally Posted By Pixie Glitter I just read the first 160 or so posts on this thread. I had to stop at that point for fear that my brain would explode if I read one more "maybe it's an April Fool's joke" or "why doesn't Doobie explain himself?" or conspiracy theory comment. Good grief, how much more clearly can the man explain what is really a very simple concept?! I am absolutely dumbfounded at the continued protestations of mystery or misunderstanding here. Doobie, you have the patience of a saint. And I also respect the way you run your website.
Originally Posted By fabdisbabe I won't let Jon quit FabsBoards, so he's not going to stop posting EVERYWHERE. I know where he lives. Kind of.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Hey fabdisbabe, how are you? We used to argue here on LP many years ago.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Pixie, I can't speak for everyone but I'm not an idiot. Obviously, this all went down on the 31st and 1st and...having no other explanation available to us...it did for some time feel like this might have been an April Fool's Joke. So, I would argue that this was not exactly simple...particularly if you were a participant in it "real time" vs reading the posts two days later with benefit of the "explanations" that have been provided. All along I considered this "x" poster being "x" poster and when he was shown the door for what seemed like no different behavior than all along I was a bit surprised. So, while I have at several different times stated it was time to move on...I think it unfair to suggest those who have had feelings about it one way or other are so far removed from reality.
Originally Posted By DAR Wow I've seen fabdisbabe and MouseBear here this week, it's like the early 2000's around here.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 I believe Doobie is a man of integrity. I believe Doobie really wants this place to be a true community of fans. I believe Doobie tries to be fair and even-handed. I really do ... I also believe that when you have discussion boards you're always going to have problems. If I ran a Disney site, or any other kind, I doubt I'd have boards. This country is highly polarized right now and I believe that trickles down to sites like this. For example, I readily equate the dumbing down of WDW and the justification of such behavior by 'fans' to be similar to people defending our WalMarted President or healthcare system or any other number of REAL problems. If you can justify sending uninsured people home from hospitals to die, how hard is it to defend a dirty, stale theme park product? And this 'it's his house and he can do what he wants' line is frankly a load of ... ah ... pooh plush. If you have 100 friends over for a party at your house, do you treat some with favoritism? Do you allow some to urinate in your jacuzzi while telling others they aren't allowed to use the bathroom? Do you let some walk in spouting obscenity while telling another that the Jesus fish on their mini-van offends you? Do you let some people upstairs, but make the rest stay down? Do some guests get paper and plastic while the others are served on fine china? Wahoo made a very valid point about the 'hits' on this site ... and how they do equate at some point with revenue. We may not be putting Doobie in an overpriced Stepford home in Celebration, but we're likely contributing to him not needing to head to the casting center to learn firsthand just how much Disney values its cast. I think when you start talking about an individual's writing/posting 'style' you're venturing into shark-filled waters. We all come from different backgrounds and some of us are more articulate than others. Some of us are more direct. Some of us may have to use communication in our daily jobs. Some of us may get our feelings hurt by what others post, even if the other poster is attacking their argument and not their worth as a human being. That's why IN MY OPINION if you're going to have forums for true debate and discussion you have to do one of two things: 1.) Let almost anything (other than personal info of posters) go; 2.) Have very strict guidelines that are administered across the board; I don't think the current ways are working and they're going to destroy a wonderful community of fans here ... too many good people and great contributers are just saying 'it's not worth it' and that's sad. And blowhard or not, not having Jon here is just another reason to not even bother reading, let alone posting. Spirit out ...
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Spirit...uh, I'm sorry...but...the exit door is over there. There is absolutely no room for this, this...what shall we call it? Common sense. Yes, no room for common sense to enter into the equation. Now, in defense of Doobie, I do think it hard to be consistent when you are dealing with what I can only assume are multiple Administrators watching over hundreds if not thousands of posts. Thus my reasoning for never accepting an offer to be an Administrator.
