Originally Posted By danyoung >What's the point of going to a nice, pricey restaurant and NOT dressing up?< Outside of a Disney park, I agree with you. You're usually dressing up for an event, and the dinner is THE main event of the evening. But at a place like WDW I might (and usually do) have a nice dinner at the CG and then go into the MK for fireworks and parade. The last thing I'd want to do is enter the park all dressed up for a fancy dinner. So I think it's a nice middle ground to at least wear nice shorts and a collared shirt. I do agree that tshirts and flipflops have no place at a restaurant like the CG. But for those restaurants that are actually inside parks, like the Coral Reef or Le Cellier, people are eating dinner in the middle of their park storming. So it's more appropriate that they would come in dressed in their park storming clothes.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>The person I was talking to made it sound like those lights weren't on. At least it looked that way to them. They don't dim the lights for Wishes do they? I dunno, I expected that the mountain would have the white floodlights, so I was surprised when they said that.<<< Wouldn't shock me if the lights burned out and they didn't know. I've only ever seen them on.
Originally Posted By Expo_Seeker40 I can't be elitist to dress up for a dinner that's over 100 dollars per person. It's called common sense and respect to the staff of the restaurant. People wear their pajamas on airplanes for christ's sake. Put some damn clothes on and show some respect. Funny this is I'm usually left of center on most issues...of well...
Originally Posted By Expo_Seeker40 And I wasn't saying that to any poster specifically, I'm saying in general terms. If one is going to go to fast food, then go casual, but the higher you pay, the more you should dress the part.
Originally Posted By Expo_Seeker40 People used to dress up to go to WDW in the 70s and early 80s...the biggest exception being the summer. The former gulf coast room at the contemporary was at one time the most expensive restaurant on property and men HAD to wear jackets. Same thing when california grill originally began as "top of the world". What happened to those days?
Originally Posted By ReelJustice <<What happened to those days?>> Long gone sadly. Now if you dress up, people make fun of you or stare. America in 2011 folks. Sad.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 Not sure I agree with that. I travel to NYC all the time and go to nice resturants and people are always dressed appropriately. Even in the Times Square area where its a lot of tourists.
Originally Posted By danyoung But what I keep saying is that WDW restaurants are NOT like nice places in NYC or any other city you could name. If you're out on the town in NY you might be eating dinner and then going to the theater - both great venues for dressing up. But there is a different objective besides eating at WDW - you're visiting the parks and doing amusement park things. And while you're doing that, you're taking a bit of time to eat a meal. So the WDW restuarants don't fall under the same standards as a fine dining location in a big city. And I for one am grateful. It would suck to have to put on a suit or even dress slacks and a jacket to dine at the CG. It would mean one of two things - either I'd have to enter the MK way overdressed for the rest of the evening, or I'd have to go back to my room to change for the evening's park storming. As it is, I can put on nice park storming clothes, enjoy a great dinner, and then hit the parks till closing. It's a great middle ground for me, and the looseness of the dress code doesn't bother me in the least. And with the clientele that normally spends money at the Disney park restuarants, it's the right standard.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom << So the WDW restuarants don't fall under the same standards as a fine dining location in a big city.>> I disagree! It's called industry standards. So called five star hotels and resorts all have fine dinning experences that require formal attire. If you fail to enforce dress codes at fine dinning experiences then you are simply NOT living up to established industry standards. I think the problem here is that somehow some people believe "formal attire" dress codes are open to personal opinion. It isn't in the industry and that includes WDW's Deluxe Hotels. Flipflops, bathing suits, tee shirts are not allowed in any fine dinning establishments on the planet. I fail to see how the rules magically change while on Disney property. And Danyoung althought you may be dinning at CG and perhaps you and your party may not be celebrating a special ocassion but I can guarentee you that others there are. There is a set dress code in place, respect it and it's Disney responcibility to enfore it. Oh, and back to industry standards, if your an fine dinning establishment billing yourself to the world as a fine dinning establishment and you have a set dress code that your not going to enfore. Then your not a fine dinning establishment.
Originally Posted By 3disneylocations Oh, and back to industry standards, if your an fine dinning establishment billing yourself to the world as a fine dinning establishment and you have a set dress code that your not going to enfore. Then your not a fine dinning establishment.>>> It's spelled Dining...
Originally Posted By danyoung Tom, I'm with you in that flip flops and bathing suits are not within the attire standard of the CG. Here's the dress code guidelines for the CG, right from the WDW website - "Men: Khakis, slacks, jeans, dress shorts, collared shirts. Sport coats are optional. Ladies: Capris, skirts, dresses, jeans, dress shorts. Not permitted in dining room: Tank tops, swimwear, hats for gentleman, cut offs, or torn clothing. While T-shirts are now allowed, the policy remains that T-shirts with offensive language or graphics are not acceptable." So there is nothing in the dress code about footwear. I'm not wild about the flip flops, but they seem to be accepted attire these days. I always wear at least nice shorts, a collared golf shirt, and tennis shoes. I look clean, and I feel completely comfortable. If you want to take a Four Seasons dress code and apply it to the CG, that's up to you. But that's not the standard that Disney has established.
Originally Posted By Bolna <<There is a set dress code in place, respect it and it's Disney responcibility to enfore it.>> Yes, but the set dress code at CG is a very casual one. A direct quote from my reservation confirmation for my upcoming trip: Men:Khakis, slacks, jeans, dress shorts, collared shirts. Ladies:Capris, skirts, dresses, jeans, dress shorts. NOT permitted in dining room: Tank tops or hats for gentleman, swimwear, cut offs or torn clothing. While t-shirts are now allowed, the policy remains that t-shirts with offensive language and/or graphics are NOT acceptable. So wearing dress shorts and a collared shirt as danyoung said that he would is within the dress code.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>Meanwhile, Disneyland has a state of the art projection system on their's<< I'd just like to chime in and say that the projections are only on during the Ghost Galaxy overlay at Halloween. The effect is pretty impressive, but it's also the only scenery for the vast majority of the queue, unlike WDW's indoor queue with viewing windows and games along the way. The FP merge point is as the queue goes inside, so there's usually only 5-10 minutes past that point. The effect is neat, but wears off. The rest of the year (and even during HalloweenTime before dark), the outdoor queue is comically boring. The rest of the year, it's just a two-tone light scheme on about a third of the mountain. The beams and panels are different colors (all of one are orange and the other are blue/purple...I honestly can't remember which is which, and it doesn't appear to come out well in photos), which looks kind of neat, but you can tell that the back/sides of the mountain aren't lit at all. There are several areas (Town Square, Harbor Blvd bus drop-off area) where you're looking at the dark sides of the mountain, or can see both the lit and dark parts (from Splash Mountain, near the hub, and from any skewed viewing angle), which just looks really strange. While the WDW lighting scheme is simple, it's consistent and effective. It presents a clean look (unlike the DL mountain, which was coated with special easy-rinse plastic in the '03-05 redo, but surprise! it never rains enough to actually rinse the mountain) that is very classic, and helps pull visitors into the land. No, it's nothing fancy, but it is effective.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN I wish WDW's Space Mountain had/did the same computerized color light show our Space Mountain at TDL does every night from dusk till park closing time.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I'm actually surprised that CG's dress code is that lax. I've never eaten at CG and with DDP in vogue I probably never will dine there. But, when I went on a Disney cruise in the early 90s. We were specifically told that men could NOT wear short during dinner in the main dining hall, had to wear slacks. Men could wear shorts during breakfast and lunch but not dinner. And you had to pack and wear a formal suit for the "Captain's night" on the ship. Which really irked me as my suit and accessories took up half the space in my suitcase and it was only for one meal. Having eaten at some upscale dining establishments in tropical locations; Hong Kong and Taipei, Taiwan, I can assure you that shorts can be very formal and very acceptable! I would also like to point out apparently the dress code is far more strict at Jiko over at the Animal Kingdom Lodge. While staying there we were told by staff that no jeans are allowed. My understanding from people on this board is that the dress code at Jiko not enforced by Disney and that is suppose to be an upscale restaurant. And I still stand by my words that flip flops should not be acceptable under any circumstances.
Originally Posted By danyoung Again, from the Disney website, here's the dress code for Jiko - "Dress Code Guidelines: Men: Khakis, slacks, jeans, dress shorts, collared shirts. Sport coats are optional. Ladies: Capris, skirts, dresses, jeans, dress shorts. Not permitted in dining room: Tank tops, swimwear, hats for gentleman, cut offs, or torn clothing. While T-shirts are now allowed, the policy remains that T-shirts with offensive language or graphics are not acceptable." I personally agree with you on flip flops, Tom. But remember that scandal a few years ago, when a women's sports team were invited to the Oval Office to meet with the president, and most of them wore sandals or flip flops? One faction said that it was horrifying, while another said that flip flops are simply accepted footwear these days. While I can't speak for what is proper in the fashion world these days, I can tell you that if I ever meet the president I will NOT be wearing flip flops!
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Maybe the dress codes have change in the past recent years? I don't have a problem with sandals for men or women. I just don't think it's appropriate to be wearing socks inside of sandals. And althought I would think sandals are appropriate for a "tropical" formal dining setting that doesn't mean I believe they would be appropriate to wear to say the Signature Room in Chicago. Just looked up the dress code for the Signature Room. I think it's standard formal dress code to exclude shorts for dinner. <<Lunch Casual dress; no beachwear allowed. Men are not permitted to wear sleeveless shirts. Dinner Business Casual; no shorts or athletic wear. Jacket and tie are optional. Ripped or torn jeans are not permitted. Sunday Brunch Upscale Casual; no beachwear or athletic wear permitted.>> The White House incident was flipflops. Flipflops are something you wear in public showers not to formal ocassions. Or, boy have things declined!
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Again, I have no problem with shorts at formal ocassions especially when dining in tropical locations. But, I think it's pretty standard for shorts not to be permited as formal dining experiences. Oh and by the way danyoung, I have been wanting to post about the Disney mugs on another website ( not here ). But that website considers me to be a quest and will not let me post!
