Originally Posted By MPierce >> Off topic but does the term "air time" refer to that tummy sensation you get on drops? << Well I guess it could make your tummy feel funny. It's that weightless feeling you get when you want to come out of your seat. Like how you feel on the drop at ToT.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Before you respond, let me assure you I did not vote for President Bush this last time, and I only rate 4 possibly 5 Presidents as worse than him.>> I'd agree ... I think people like Nixon and Clinton -- both liars, albeit over different things -- were GREAT leaders compared to W. And, FWIW, I am not letting off Congress or the current weak crop of candidates for the top job at all. I just have little regard for any of our so-called 'leaders' or wannabe leaders either ... but anyone who would defend Bush or his policies would scare the *&^% out of me. Politics is such a dirty game to get in that even if you start with noble intentions you wind up selling out (universal healthcare ring a bell, Hillary?)
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<With the HUGE Mk show building, if they do the one track design it will blow away the brilliant DL Space Mt. Great news all around, now lets just hope they go with a single track layout.>> I agree. The possibilities are really amazing IF you went with a single track layout. Not to mention that you could significantly add to the ride time (possibly doubling it). But I doubt it. Disney will probably go the cheapest route, which is rebuilding the same layout with dual tracks exactly as they are now. To me, the only way I'd want dual tracks would be if one was significantly more ... well, thrilling than the other, possibly with inversions (although they aren't neccessary).
Originally Posted By figment1986 <<To me, the only way I'd want dual tracks would be if one was significantly more ... well, thrilling than the other, possibly with inversions (although they aren't neccessary).>> Add more air time and pull more Gs on one side... inversions are not necessary if you do it right... (This coming from a coaster junkie)
Originally Posted By mrkthompsn How many from the Hall of Presidents really believe that health care is a "right". Did the American people of the year 1790 believe that health care was a right? or a job, or a house? Even if is it for the children? And UNlike many other presidents (including future ones) at least Mr. Bush sticks to his word.
Originally Posted By cassiedoodle ummm... pardon me... i think i missed some posts... i thought this was about space mountain lol
Originally Posted By cmash95 was on property last weekend and actually heard the same news from three different Cms in three different parks. I was shocked!!! of course none know the details but they have all been informed it is going down for about a year and they all said it was getting new track and trains. anything else they hadn't been told. but for me that's a first that I could get any two cms to corroberate a rumor let alone in different parks.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I agree. The possibilities are really amazing IF you went with a single track layout. Not to mention that you could significantly add to the ride time (possibly doubling it). << I agree, but you would have to go with side by side seating to keep capacity up. I really like the single seating, but a longer ride would be great. I'm torn, not that I actually have a say in the matter.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I think they could significantly lengthen the track while keeping two seperate ones. It seems to me like they could easily extend the track over the area where the queues are, since that is just open to the ceiling. Also, if they completely rerouted the tracks, they could make the lift hill go higher (reaching the top roughly where the highest part of the ceiling is, instead of where the ceiling is already starting to lower since the hill starts about a third of the way through the building instead of at the far wall). This would then give them more space in the area where the current tracks are to make the attraction longer, along with allowing for more time to go into the other areas of the mountain. While it would require them to essentially completely redesign the inside of the building (most likely queue, exit, and maybe even TTA included), I feel like this would give the best overall experience.
Originally Posted By MPierce ^^^ I agree, but don't you think that would be an engineering nightmare. Not that it wouldn't work. I just don't think they want to sink that much money into the project. I think that would be a project in excess of 100 million dollars, and a two to three year refurb. of the ride. It would be a great ride though, and give the rider the best of both worlds.
Originally Posted By jmuboy While I am not sure, I'd expect the Space Mt redo to be a rebuild of the current track with modern materials and modern special effects in a darker environment........just like DL's recent rehab.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>>> Off topic but does the term "air time" refer to that tummy sensation you get on drops? << Well I guess it could make your tummy feel funny. It's that weightless feeling you get when you want to come out of your seat. Like how you feel on the drop at ToT.<< It happens when the train goes over a small hill. Your body and the train go in different direction (you up, train down), and you float in the air momentarily. More common on traditional wood coasters.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<Disney will probably go the cheapest route, which is rebuilding the same layout with dual tracks exactly as they are now.>> Well, thats what they did in Anaheim. And I agree that they made DL's SM darker. I remember being able to see the track very clearly before the refurb.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros "I think that would be a project in excess of 100 million dollars, and a two to three year refurb. of the ride." I don't see how replacing two coaster tracks within an existing building could cost less than that. Also, I believe DL's refurb took about two years to do, so that really isn't so far out of the question. With the 12-18 months, I would be surprised if they completely replace either track, as that is not much time for working within the constraints of an already existing building. While a new layout would take a lot longer to plan (actually needing to be created from scratch instead of just copying what they have) it wouldn't take that much longer (per foot of track) to actually install. The new queue and exit areas could take longer, but a lot of times it's easier to completely demolish and start over than to refurbish, so that may actually be easier.
Originally Posted By Daannzzz I would think the cheapest route would be to tear out the old track and install the same track layout as at Disneyland as that was already designed and built twice. They could maybe order two an fit them in.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros The cheapest route is to keep doing what they're doing and not really have any improvements, but keep adding band-aids to the track. I don't think two DL tracks would fit, since it uses the full space of the 200 ft building (hence using 3 lifts to get to the highest point instead of one long one that doesn't make it all the way up like in WDW). Since the WDW building is 300 ft, it would be nearly impossible to put two of those tracks in, as half of each one would be interlocked with the other one, and there is almost no room to spare with the DL version to begin with.
Originally Posted By magnet I have no idea what will be done during the renovation. I can only think it will be better than it is now. I just hope that they do a really nice job with whichever direction they go whether that be one or two tracks. I just want the quality of the ride to be improved. If it gets longer that's great too, but don't do any harm first.
Originally Posted By Daannzzz I think it would be great if they redesigned the whole thing. I never thought it was a great coaster, certainly okay because of the dark aspect , but nothing spectacular. I would love to see a more thrilling side and a mellower side but I don't expect that to occur.
Originally Posted By magnet I want there to be an intertwined vertical corkscrew of two tracks. They could send the two cars through at the same time so that you can look out from your track and see the people in the other car across from you as you spiral all the way down. Then also add the buzz lightyear shooting gallery technology so that you could score points against the other car by shooting at it. It would be like a dogfight, but in space. The cars would have to have some low level lighting on them so you could aim at them.
Originally Posted By ExplorerDave While I enjoy the current tamer, yet loads of fun, version I would love to see a totally new version with several inversions. Also one with a speed launch like Rock and Roller Coaster has, but taken up a notch, literally. In fact they could take the launch area totally outside the building to a launch tower. Slowly bring the trains to a vertical position at the base of the tower, do a launch countdown to a very fast vertical launch which then loops back, and enters the mountain near the bottom for the bulk of the ride. I bet they won’t do it this way, but it could be VERY COOL!
