Originally Posted By vbdad55 see there's the catch 22 -- raise the price and people scream - don't do all the upgrade you can- people scream.... For all the 'gouging' talk- as a stockholder I can tell you it ain't reaching the bottom line
Originally Posted By macnak81 brotherdave: check out the thread about the FairyFactor at the fantasyland plus post.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<For all the and special promotions (like buy 4 nights get 3 free) Disney offers I would hardly call them cheap. It's more like the patrons are cheap.>> I don't believe most patrons are being cheap. They have been hammered by the economy and have to cut back. But Disney's never-ending cycle of discounting has played a role. If every year you come to WDW you get free dining or three free nights then you'll come to expect it. This has been something I've been talking about for years as Disney pushed toward build-out of the Florida property. There was a time when you had to make reservations a year or more in advance and pay rack rate to stay at WDW. I have spent hundreds of nights on property in the last decade and have yet to pay rack. Often my discounts have been in the 35-60% range. Disney has conditioned me to expect discounts. I'm not the only one. <<I don't hear anyone insisting that Disney charge full price for everything and asking them to get rid of all the giveaways and promotions like room discounts, dining plans, etc.>> I have. Often. BUT with the caveat that Disney offer the same quality I came to expect for full price (and even discounted). They can't seem to do that.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Different things I've read have indicated it will have music. I've also read that it will not be onboard music. How that will work out or if it's even true, I can't say.>> No way on the onboard sound. Rest assured, if it were coming Disney would have let people know a long time ago. This is largely a cleaning, rebuilding of track and asbestos removal. I wouldn't expect anything more.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 BUT with the caveat that Disney offer the same quality I came to expect for full price (and even discounted). They can't seem to do that. agree- but it is a chicken / egg argument. The general populace wants " WalMart 'roll back ' pricing on everything but then doesn't want WalMart quality. The equation doesn't work. I am with you in that I would rather pay for the quality - even if it means I go less often - but I do believe we are in the minority
Originally Posted By Spyderman are you guys saying taht the reason quality has dropped at WDW is because of too much discounting? I am going to have to disagree there are plenty of companies that offer great discounts for their customers but still maintain high quality and a commitment to excellence.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^ please take us thru them... a company still has to maintain a bottom line-- and even though many have outsourced all their white collar jobs to Brazil and India to save money...this is a tricky balance. I tried to think of one and could not places I can think of with quality have had significant price increases - and most never got into discounting --
Originally Posted By MPierce >> For all the and special promotions (like buy 4 nights get 3 free) Disney offers I would hardly call them cheap. It's more like the patrons are cheap. I don't hear anyone insisting that Disney charge full price for everything and asking them to get rid of all the giveaways and promotions like room discounts, dining plans, etc. << Even with the discounts a WDW vacation is not cheap by any means.
Originally Posted By Spyderman Chick-Fil-A and Costco are able to maintain high quality standards while also giving great deals to their customers. Hell the chick-fil-A down the street is giving free breakfast every morning for the whole month and walking into that place is like walking into Disneyland circa 1965.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Anybody else get this, yesterday my husband got an e-mail from Disney offering a $500 gift card at check in? 5 nights at select mod, 1 park per day admission 6 days. $743/adult. I'm the one who pays for vacations, why does he get the e-mail?
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey ^^^^^WHAT? When is it good for and why don't I have one in my inbox?!?!?!
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad I always use a deal and I wait until a deal comes around to book. And I don't feel guilty about it one bit. They still get a load out of me every visit. If I had to pay more for a room then I would have to cut back on other stuff I spend money on. If I had to cut back how often I go, then Disney would get less money overall from me because there is only so much money I will spend on a single vacation. If Disney prices me out then I would just do something different. Not everyone in my family is a Disney freak and we aren't going and dropping that kind of dough unless we both agree that we can afford it.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Costco is a warehouse - they sell bulk items from storage shelves- I hardly consider that a first class experience - bnetter than Sam's yes, but a notch above WalMart doesn't rate as a first class experience..... as for Chick Fil A- just my opinion as we do not have them here - when traveling they are just like any other fast food restaurant to me- a little better food than average but you pay for it too. btw- I think Wendy's has a better chicken sandwhich - I thought the soup was good but sure as hell not cheap for the amount you got. So I'm not buying these as comparatives to a WDW experience that is supposed to be first rate. of course - just my opinion.. give me a hotel chain - resort / theme park - entertainment venue...something comparable. Any entertainment experience. I think the fact that I can get 10 Whie Castle Sliders for $3.60 a good deal- but I wouldn't compare it to WDW either,
Originally Posted By mrkthompsn Just remember: no matter what the changes are, you still fly REAL spaceships through REAL space for a REAL adventure. It's the only way to enjoy Disney World.
Originally Posted By dshyates I have heard that there will be music, just not onboard music. I guess they are just going to have some sort of background music pumped throughout the building. But that makes me wonder if there will be any attempt to sync the music to the motions of the ride. To do that they would need to place speakers close to the track, and this would give a "pumping" effect where the closer you get to the speakers the louder it will be then as you pass them it will fade until you approach the next set of speakers. I think I would prefer just filling the building with ambient/generic music.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros They could always use a system like what they have on TTA, with hundreds of speakers that are fixed in place with a very short audio track that plays as you pass each one, and when you put them all together, it makes the whole narration. That's probably even more complicated for a roller coaster, but would be an interesting solution to the extra weight added by onboard computers. I really doubt they'll do it, but it would synch the music up with the ride, and be specific for each car on the track. If they just used general ambient music, I think they would have some major acoustical problems, since they would need to have loud speakers to deal with the variety of places that the cars go, but that seems like a very echo-ey space too.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Anybody else get this, yesterday my husband got an e-mail from Disney offering a $500 gift card at check in? 5 nights at select mod, 1 park per day admission 6 days. $743/adult. I'm the one who pays for vacations, why does he get the e-mail? << Did it have a pin code Bobbelee? Let me tell you a story. Several years back I was on the phone setting up our WDW vacation. I have a hearing problem with some people over the phone. Anyway I couldn't understand this woman at all. I was about half way through the call, and I finally had to put my wife on the phone to finish up. My wife hung up the phone before she told me the final price for the trip. When she did I knew it was way to much. I called back, and got another cast member. He told me our reservation was for 3 adults rather than 2. It seems a Kitty Pierce had joined us for vacation. I said "Who the hell is Kitty Pierce?". Anyway we got it straightened out, and got a credit to our credit card. To this day Kitty gets mail from Disney, and even pin code offerings. So if WDW can do this for Kitty Pierce, even though she doesn't exist, I can understand why your husband got the e-mail rather than you.
Originally Posted By A Happy Haunt >> Anybody else get this, yesterday my husband got an e-mail from Disney offering a $500 gift card at check in? 5 nights at select mod, 1 park per day admission 6 days. $743/adult. I'm the one who pays for vacations, why does he get the e-mail? << maybe they just like him better!!
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 <<^^^^^WHAT? When is it good for and why don't I have one in my inbox?!?!?!>> "for stays most night 4/11/10-6/3/10" That's no good for you or me. I'm going end of June/July
