Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<<sorry Trippy, but laying it on a little heavy no ?>> Yeah... I was having a little fun there. I guess I've read too many of Ed's posts lately. ;-) those should come with a warning label - I agree
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom More from Neil Boortz today. <<<WHILE WE'RE SHEDDING TEARS FOR NEW ORLEANS ... .... How about a few tears for cities like Houston, Texas where tens of thousands of so-called Katrina "victims" were sent. Houstonians are paying for their generosity big-time in the form of increased social welfare costs for victims who insist on remaining victims, and a Katrina refugee crime wave that shows no signs of abating.>>>
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Good to see no one is judging the film until they actually see it...< sometimes your body of work preceeds you...as it does with Spike Lee..
Originally Posted By ecdc "Or the Texas homicide rate going up to 17% since the Katrina evacuees moved in. Or the fact that roughly 25% of ALL homicides in Texas involve Katrina evacuees." Are there actual figures on this? Not that I dispute it, but the percentages have to be backed up by a number. Does 17%, for example, represent a total increase of 100 homicides or does it represent 3 homicides? Obviously, one is too many and no one is trying to excuse murder, but the percentages alone can give the wrong impression.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd I haven't had cable in over 10 years. I'm curious, does mr. lee's documentary give the crime statistics, and meth drug use, prior to hurricane katrina. The reason new orleans is such a spotlight is most of these people did what they did, because they've had to deal with rampant prejudice, racism in america, against blacks.
Originally Posted By mele So, did anybody actually watch this show? The focus on NO is because of the conditions AFTER the hurricane. The floating bodies, people trapped on their roofs without food and water, 100 degree heat, the Superdome (Super Dome?), babies and the elderly with little to no medical help, people leaving their dead loved ones on the side of the road, the possibility of cholera and other epidemics from the human waste and rotting corpses, the fact that one year later, there are still bodies to be found, homes with corpses in them. New Orleans, after the hurricane, is an entirely different story than the rest of the areas hit by the hurricane. It's far more terrifying and tragic. I don't say that as a democrat or "lib" but as a human being. (Please note that I didn't blame anyone for what happened, no politician, no victim. It was what it was and it is the stuff of nightmares.)
Originally Posted By peeaanuut <<New Orleans, after the hurricane, is an entirely different story than the rest of the areas hit by the hurricane.>> Only in the fact that the people in NO chose to stay and not leave like they knew they should have. They figured better to stay and get an extra welfare check a month than to leave and actually maybe have to get a job.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut I saw parts of the show as I was working. Enough to know its a typical spike lee, blame everyone else but the people who are to blame fantasy. I have tons of compassion, accept for people that do nothing at all to better their situation, but instead sit around and complain about everything going wrong and not doing anything about it. Basically utter stupidity.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Maybe, katrina was just another eviction ploy to the residents of new orleans. Unfortified levees. I just assume, i would grab, my shoes, clothes, my wallet, some photos, and a laptop, and go to hight dry ground. The people left should have had immediate assistance, while those that could, should have left if they didn't need any. I'm geting sad again. Okay, you folks got through to me. I need to go to disneyland again, maybe monsters inc. for my 20th time. The coaster a few times might be nice. But it's supposed to be so hot today in anaheim, i might just go to all the wonderfully airconditioned shows, and movies. No lines for me thank you.
Originally Posted By ecdc "accept for people" Ironic that you use the wrong word which is for "acceptance", isn't it. But then maybe your last sentence on utter stupidity just explains it.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut It was a spelling error. So shoot me. people: meaning more than 1 person. Simple as that. I think your reading into it waaay too much. Are you telling me that the people we saw looting shops and complaining about no assistance did everything they could to get out? I think not. In general, those people, as in more than 1 person, did nothing to help themselves, so why should anyone help them? Oh wait, they helped themselves to some new nike's, big screen TVs and jewelery.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Surely you don't think everyone who remained in NO was a looter? Some who remained were old or infirm. Some were staying WITH an old or infirm family member rather than abandon them. The only people I semi-know who remained were the mom and stepfather of a woman here at work. They're white, they had a car, and they stayed put for the simple reason that they just refused to believe it was going to be that bad. NO had skirted hurricanes before, and every time they were told it could be a bad one, the hurricane made a right turn or left turn and NO just got bad storms. Despite days of people saying "no really, this is the big one," they just didn't believe it, and stayed put. Foolish? Perhaps. But not evil, criminal, or undeserving of compassion.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Nope, not evil or criminal but I have little compassion for people who had the ability to leave and didn't, therefore taxing already scarce resources. When the big one hits Southeast Florida that will be our biggest problem. 90% of the population has the ability to evactuate but 50% of the population will not and then they will be in the ice and food lines just like everyone else. After Wilma hit us there were people in BMWs and Lexuses in line for ice distribution. Do I have compassion for them? Nope.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd A friend of mine died recently, and an exgirlfriend, who is a close friend, said to me, "The strong survive, and the weak die." It is up to you, i suppose, to an extent. But still compassion is incredibly needed in new orleans, and will be for longer than the iraq war.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut <<Surely you don't think everyone who remained in NO was a looter? >> Not everyone who stayed was, but a large majority of them were. <<Some who remained were old or infirm. Some were staying WITH an old or infirm family member rather than abandon them.>> that was a very small number <<The only people I semi-know who remained were the mom and stepfather of a woman here at work. They're white, they had a car, and they stayed put for the simple reason that they just refused to believe it was going to be that bad. NO had skirted hurricanes before, and every time they were told it could be a bad one, the hurricane made a right turn or left turn and NO just got bad storms. Despite days of people saying "no really, this is the big one," they just didn't believe it, and stayed put.>> and IF they are sitting there now complaining that noone is helping them, I have no sympathy for them. They had the means to get out.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ecdc - this is not a few pople or a blip... It's what happens when you take the #1 city ( New orleans ) in murder rate per 10,000 people and plunk many of them into #17 Houston -- murders rose for Houston last year from 272 to 334. ecdc this is not 3 murders - the crime rate is now staggering. My daughter in college's roommate is from Alvin Texas, a suburb of Houston. They have lived there their whole lives and are no moving to Austin and relocating their business because they feel it has gotten so unsafe. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U nited_States_cities_by_crime_rate</a> and then hows this for enough proof -- through July 21% of the cities homicides involve a Katrina evacuee, even though the 150,000 evacuees there make up less than 7% of the population. I know Bush's fault... <a href="http://www.kwtx.com/news/headlines/3565507.html" target="_blank">http://www.kwtx.com/news/headl ines/3565507.html</a> then of course my favorite headline -- from Kansas City -- yes we all knew it< Bush responsible for rising crime rate ! a story on CNN lifted from Reuters...yep that press sure is conservative - geez. Next weeks story, Bush causes avalanche on the Moon... <a href="http://blogs.kansascity.com/crime_scene/2006/08/bush_blamed_for.html" target="_blank">http://blogs.kansascity.com/cr ime_scene/2006/08/bush_blamed_for.html</a>
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<Surely you don't think everyone who remained in NO was a looter? >> <Not everyone who stayed was, but a large majority of them were.> It was not a "large majority," but it's interesting that you think so. <<Some who remained were old or infirm. Some were staying WITH an old or infirm family member rather than abandon them.>> <that was a very small number> You'd obviously like to think so. <<The only people I semi-know who remained were the mom and stepfather of a woman here at work. They're white, they had a car, and they stayed put for the simple reason that they just refused to believe it was going to be that bad. NO had skirted hurricanes before, and every time they were told it could be a bad one, the hurricane made a right turn or left turn and NO just got bad storms. Despite days of people saying "no really, this is the big one," they just didn't believe it, and stayed put.>> <and IF they are sitting there now complaining that noone is helping them, I have no sympathy for them. They had the means to get out. > Yes they did, but you know what? They didn't heed the warnings. They were foolish. They were... human. But being middle class, they did have SOME savings, and were able to rebuild partially. Not back to where they were, and they've been promised and promised things that haven't come from FEMA, etc., but at least they HAD some savings and have rebuilt partially. How were people living paycheck to paycheck - and despite what you think, most of them were honest people - supposed to do that?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom There is a saying. You get to where you are in life one bad decision at a time. Even if someone is poor. MANY NO people were looting after the hurricane. Through out history after ALL disasters people helped their neighbors to get food and survive. The NO people are the first ones in history to help themselves by looting stores. They were not helping their neighbor. They were robbing their neighbors. Oh and I don't mean EVERYONE. But this crime wave has never happened before in history to the extent the NO residents were robbing, looting and stealing ( all caught on tape ). What the world found out after that storm is what everyone in the south new already. You didn't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out NO had some major issues. Furthermore, as a christian I have a BIG problem with my tax dollars helping out a city that had legalized gambling, prostitution and rampant alcohol comsumption.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I need a new flatpanel tv so I'm hoping Broward County is in the hit zone this year.
