Originally Posted By Bob Paris Wow - that is absolutely terrible! I just can't fathom how anybody in charge thinks that is giving guests value for money. Really, REALLY bad show.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Yep, add that both Tarzan and Lion King were scrapped this year for Stitch's Pride Party in DISCOveryland, adn MMP on the hub, as well as the aweful Goofy Fishing show almost all in French with the rubberheads in the Chapperelle.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo People in WDW and DLP are spending their hard earned money in tough times. Should they not be rewarded? Especially those that booked 9+ months ago thinking that although crowded, the long hours and entertainment would make up for it?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Oh, and the worst bit at DLP, none of these staggered openings and closings are centrally posted or on a leaflet. You only find out when you get to the attraction.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Between 10pm and 11, the only open attractions are Space Mountain, Buzz, and Big thunder.*** Geez. Hardly seems "open" at all! At TDL, we love to use the last hour to hit rides like Pan and other FL dark rides which are so busy as to be not worth the trouble most of the day, but clear out nicely during the last hour.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Agreed X - it is astonishing. It was bad enough when we faced this in May, but for it to be happening when all the schools in Europe are on vacation is increadible.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Oh, and the worst bit at DLP, none of these staggered openings and closings are centrally posted or on a leaflet. You only find out when you get to the attraction.*** I think that would work okay if it were a FEW attractions (like at TDR, such as with Tom Sawyer Island and the Gondolas), but since it is so extreme I think being forthcoming with it would only lead to resentment by the customers.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Problem is, if you hike across the place with a disability, small kids or the elderly, it leaves a REALLY bitter taste. Also, I thought TDL advertised when TSI closed (I know Disneyland used to)
Originally Posted By Mr X Yes, they DO advertise it...sorry that I wasn't clear in explaining that they do advertise odd-hour closings but can get away with it due to the fact that they are few and far between. The point I was making was that if the whole park looks like "closings-ville" on paper, they perhaps couldn't get away with it because too many people would complain. I certainly don't blame YOU for being upset about it (I would be too), but my guess is they get far fewer complaints from folks who simply encounter closings all around the park than they would get if they actually advertised the facts. All in all, they aren't doing the right thing and they aren't being very smart about it, either. So, I'm certainly not disagreeing with you Dave!
Originally Posted By disney pete Dave Dave Dave this is NOT the way to be talking me into a trip to DLP
Originally Posted By leobloom How the hell is anyone expected to know what's going on in a park that has such random opening/closing times for each attraction? I wonder if the DLP CMs who turn away guests get an earful. I know at Epcot we would when the Land closed at 7 in the days before Soarin'.
Originally Posted By MPierce ^^^ That I can't understand at all. If any guest can read they should know that FW closes at 7:00pm, and WS doesn't open until 11:00am. If WDW started doing what DLP is now doing, the longest line at the Parks would be for guest relations. I just can't believe people on the Continent put up with that.
Originally Posted By leobloom >>If any guest can read they should know...>> MPierce, don't be silly. These are the same guests who walk around Epcot while looking at maps of Universal Studios and wonder where Jaws is. Reading (and reason for that matter) doesn't enter into their thinking (and not much of that going on either!).
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 I appreciate you guys keeping the negativity spewing in my absence. It warms the cockells ... even though many people think I reside down where it's very warm and little dudes with pitchforks reside (yeah, they think I'm a squatter in a dark ride in Anaheim). But seriously, we should get back to WDW bashing. Although with a trip to DLP coming up (you'll be getting an email reply from me in the next day or so, Dave The UK Commie!) it really bothers me to hear that. Doesn't surprise me, though, since George Kalogridis is still running ops over there and he's known for focusing on the bottom line at all costs (among other things). It's one thing to open a few things a little later or maybe close some things an hour before the rest of the park, but this really seems like everything is staggered and that there is no communication for guests. I was thinking of doing an AP again (it's always a great excuse to get back to Europe) but now I'm wondering if its worth it ... for me, it probably still will be.
Originally Posted By barboy ///How the hell is anyone expected to know what's going on in a park that has such random opening/closing times for each attraction?/// Dl Paris can get away with it because guests don't view time like us in the States and Japan and on some level Hong Kong. Those Euro cats are just fine strolling around and moving off to the side of the walkways for a smoke.
Originally Posted By barboy ///I just can't believe people on the Continent put up with that./// The way guests tour and view Disney parks in the 4 countries differs dramatically based on culture.
Originally Posted By leobloom >>The way guests tour and view Disney parks in the 4 countries differs dramatically based on culture.>> So they don't complain when they get an attraction that has closed early? Are prices at the overseas parks comparables to prices at the US parks?
Originally Posted By barboy ///Are prices at the overseas parks comparables to prices at the US parks?/// Cheaper for 1 a day---- as to multi day tickets there are too many combos to compare. Tokyo: $61 HK: $45 Paris: $57
Originally Posted By barboy ///So they don't complain when they get an attraction that has closed early?/// I'm sure some would but I guess not nearly as much as us in the US.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Well, considering that just about everything in Italy is closed more than open I'm guessing it ain't no thing for them to run into something closed and think nothing of it.
