Originally Posted By vbdad55 < I just wish you DVCers wouldn't be so apathetic when Disney reduces quality ... you are 'owners' dammit! < I think that's an assumption. At OKW - people kept harping on the fact there was no slide in the main pool, while there was everywhere else. ( personally I really didn't care - but it turned out well) - they saw it as $ cutting -- every year it got hit on the survey - and truth be told - there was no incentive to plus anything at a resort long since sold out - however low and behold - not only did they add one- they added a nicely themed one. We actually get surveys on which to air our grievances ( I have never gotten one as an AP ? ) - and I expect most of us do. Some things lead to deals like $100 off an AP - which more than covers the DDE card. While there can be boors in any group - my experience from those I have met over the past 13 years as a member - show me they are more like me than like the group you witnessed.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Also, while not exactly a conversion, let's not forget that Disney has indeed changed properties to DVC ... Disney Institute became Saratoga Springs < yep they bulldozed old - very tired buildings of less than 1st rate construction, that needed to be put out of rotation and put up new ones at SS --
Originally Posted By vbdad55 and for all the grief Spirit is taking ( including from me ) - I do understand the concern, I really do. The issue is that this exists everywhere, including places it just didn't before. Everywhere from morons who won't shut the h*** up in the movies - to people so falling down drunk at concerts they are a danger not just to themselves but to all around them ( unfortunately have attended my last Jimmy Buffett concert based on last experience) - I won't bore anyone with the details of the viewing of the King Tut exhibit this past year so that once again no one can hear what is going on between screaming kids and cell phones conversations on where we're get a beer later today... the buffoonism going on though I cannot pin on PWT ( and sure as heck not DVC) -as some exclusive. There is a group of people who feel 'entitled' to do whatever they want whenever and the rest of the world be damned. Some of these are very well to do people, who will allow little Janie to crawl up the attractions at WDW, or any museum or wherever because she is just blowing off steam, and besides they paid to get in. It just gets to the point at times where you want to scream --however when i do my wife yells at me -- so I understand the frustration - just feel the blame was misdirected some ( not saying they couldn't have been DVCers - but also not that their behavior showed they were) --
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<so I understand the frustration - just feel the blame was misdirected some ( not saying they couldn't have been DVCers - but also not that their behavior showed they were) -->> Me too. Many people today are absolute pigs in the way they behave, and that behavior cuts across all demographic lines. It just is not right to blame DVC'ers (or All Star guests for that matter) as being responsible for that type of behavior.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 I think VBDAD understands exactly where I am coming from ... it's the WalMarting of our society ... maybe I just came off as an a$$ by labeling the people as DVCers ... likely some of them were and many were not ... but I was not off-base in saying they're trash. I know it when I see it. I hate seeing amazingly high quality products, lovingly created, like DAK Lodge get trashed by people who are boors. It bothered me ... because well, everything on this trip had been so positive ... I really see a lot of positive changes and then WHAM!!! ... it's like someone dumped a cold bucket of water on me and I saw yet another one of my reasons for visting WDW ... for loving it ... being tarted up for lack of a better term. I find it sad. Oh, and I'd love to take surveys that meant something, but Disney never would ask me ... and, frankly, I learned years ago to stop doing free consulting on the Internet. But, to put this DVC issue to rest because I really want to, I am just tired of PEOPLE losing their sense of humanity and becoming animals for all practical purposes. Our society has been dumbed down and I don't have to and won't like it. Now ... off to dinner!
Originally Posted By MPierce Thanks for the review Spirit. I almost feel compelled to throw my views on DVC into the mix now. I have always thought the DVC should be stand alone resorts. I really think this is the wrong direction adding DVC to existing resorts. I really think the trashy cheap feeling is just going to come from overcrowding. The number of people attending the WDW resort, and staying on WDW property is increasing every year. It only makes sense that you will start getting more trashy people because of this. I really don't see what the solution to this problem is. I just have a feeling that some people are going to be trashy no matter what their economic circumstances in life might be. Now if everyone will excuse me I'm going downstairs, and dining on finger steaks. In case anybody was wondering, I will be useing my fork.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Many corporations have already begun to use this concept. Combining the Hotel with Timeshare to offset construction and development and also because of consumer demand. Many people want tofeel as if they "live" in the hotel. Prepare to see more of this in many hotels worldwide.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN If that is the case, I much rather see them move into Celebration than into hotel properties on WDW property. But then again... I am a local, so what do I care? I practically live at WDW.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Spirit, I completely agree with your take on the new Oh Canada! movie. I've grown so tired of the smug, wink-wink self-aware movies -- I'm ready for them to just play it straight. How about a nice travellogue where you might allow the audience to think and learn and be moved. Heck, this 'Oh Canada!' makes 'Golden Dreams' seem like 'The English Patient.'>> Jim: you have to appreciate all of the parties involved. These projects are typically driven by governmental agencies - for Canada Disney needed the approval and consent from CTC to get it made. The reason it takes so long to get these movies changed (ten years for Canada) is that there are so many parties involved: be it the CTC, the Canadian Government, all of the provinces and territories etc. It is a complex procedure and it is often difficult to satisfy all of the invested parties. The original Epcot Center movies were made in exactly the same way. China was different as TPP weren't given any rights to film on the ground and the involvement of the Chinese Government was limited.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^While all that is true, Lee, it doesn't change the fact the new movie is godawful with the way it tries to be 'hip' ... just very, very bad. If I were a Canadian, I'd be insulted.
Originally Posted By leemac <<If I were a Canadian, I'd be insulted.>> Well write to the CTC then. If that is true then the irony is that a bunch of Canadian tourist officials forced an American writer down a path that was "insulting" to their countrymen. Very odd indeed.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^There are plenty of odd things that happen in TWDC every day! I just doubt the Canadians wanted to replace a 25-year-old film with a new one that was 2/3rds made out of scraps from the old one, had Martin Short at his most obnoxious, largely added no real CircleVision footage with a few exceptions and decided to pay homage to American celebs who hail from north of the border. Very odd indeed. And very bad ... very, very bad.
Originally Posted By leemac ^^ Take it from me - they did. I haven't heard anyone else call it "very, very bad". It is the same it has always been - a marketing message for Americans to visit north of the border. Just like a typical Expo movie.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN I would have loved this film more if they had showed the Canadiens bashing Bush. But I guess a republican company such as Disney would not find that acceptable... hehehe..
Originally Posted By Skellington88 The DVC is a big scam anyway and all the clowns who bought into it are gonna regret it soon
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <It is the same it has always been - a marketing message for Americans to visit north of the border. Just like a typical Expo movie.> leemac, I would argue that the 'tone' of the movie has changed drastically this go around. The previous incarnation of 'Oh Canada!' played it straight. It showed the various parts of Canada, but was more serious -- more sincere. This one goes more trendy route, with silly one-time-only jokes, and as has been mentioned before, an overall self-awareness that is quite irritating.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Don't just drive by a thread and drop a big firecracker into it.>> Oh, it was a typically intelligent and insightful Skellington post.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <The DVC is a big scam anyway and all the clowns who bought into it are gonna regret it soon < now there's a mature post... :-(
Originally Posted By MPierce >> The DVC is a big scam anyway and all the clowns who bought into it are gonna regret it soon << I didn't realize you were old enough to drink. You really need to learn how to control yourself.
