Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Disney on the Internet, Serious Business!!!!!<<< ZOMG, you said something not in the consensus!!! KILL!!!
Originally Posted By WDWFigment So I wanted to find a topic that I wouldn't derail by asking this, and based upon the discussion I think it's safe to ask it here: this is where the exodus of members from WDWMagic has arrived? I certainly see some familiar names.
Originally Posted By WDWFigment I don't know why you guys are answering so esoterically. It's not as if you didn't leave. Unless you're planning on going back, but from the sound of some posts over there, I doubt that's the case. As for you, merf, I always wondered where you ended up. I guess this answers that question. I like to go to where there's captivating, rational, and thought-provoking discussion. I won't say that is now absent from WDWMagic, but I will say that I will now be coming here, in addition to other forums I have frequented, regularly.
Originally Posted By MPierce Welcome to LP WDWFigment. Glad to have you here. I hope you enjoy yourself. Yes this is where the Magical outcast end up. I still post over at wdwmagic as well as here. Nice people at both sites.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Oy vey - just looked at the Lights of Winter thread, and the usual suspects now think (despite all of the LoW being packed together) that magically "half" was sent out for repairs. It's just like with SSE's ending. They come up with some story in their heads that explains away just how rotten Disney is being and they never accept the reality of the situation - and worse, they never pin it on the people who are misleading and manipulating them. Ugh!!!
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper Ugh...Merf there were plans for more on the descent for SSE. Now, I'm with you in believing nothing will ever be done about it, but the plans are there.
Originally Posted By mousermerf And if people had complained it would have forced the plan through - instead their acceptance of "just keep waiting.. it'll come" landed them nothing.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^I think you put too much stock in internet complaints Merf. Emails and letters aren't gonna do enough. Tons of complaints at Guest Services will. And overall the reception for SSE 07 was hugely positive. There just wasn't enough negative reviews during testing, or after it was opened.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I don't know why you guys are answering so esoterically. It's not as if you didn't leave. Unless you're planning on going back, but from the sound of some posts over there, I doubt that's the case. <<< It's a lot more complicated than it appears, but no, I won't be back there. I echo what Krank said. >>> Oy vey - just looked at the Lights of Winter thread, and the usual suspects now think (despite all of the LoW being packed together) that magically "half" was sent out for repairs.<<< Not getting into the whole SSE thing, but ARE half of them gone?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> And if people had complained it would have forced the plan through - instead their acceptance of "just keep waiting.. it'll come" landed them nothing.<<< People DID complain. I STILL complain in GR. It all depends on funds from Siemens and TWDC. I also have a slight bit of intel that the money for the descent might have gone to other Future World projects... unfortunately like the MonoTrack Cleaning and the beginning of the new Inno Aesthetics. And along with that...like Hokie said, the first 4/5ths of the ride is pretty damn good. SSE isn't a total loss. ..Nor is it a total victory. It would be close, however, if and when they ever finish up what they started.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Nice to see you here Figment. Many former MAGICal posters are here, but some (like a certain Spirit) have always made LP.com their online Disney home. So, even though I enjoyed (some of) my time on MAGIC, this was always home. I have REAL friends here. The people are great. You can go off-topic, you can use some semi-naughty words, you can make an off-the-cuff political comment and you can rip the hell out of Phil Holmes (just to name someone) without some character that thinks she's your MOM coming in and removing the post or, worse, castrating it by editing it in a way that removes all its meaning. I was not purged from MAGIC. I was not asked to leave. But I also was not happy by the way others were treated. And by the pervasive 'Disney Can Do No Wrong' 'tude. I only have limited time these days to post, just returned from an amazing 14-night Disney Magic transatlantic cruise and am headed to another magical place soon, and this is it for me. I wouldn't tell folks not to post on MAGIC (well, that's not 100% true but it would require a long 'splanation that I have no time for), but I don't see conversations and threads as deep or, conversely, as fun and inane there that I do here. But please send my love to JT and Jake and tell Mom I won't be taking her out for brunch at EPCOT for Mother's Day! ;-) Again, glad to see ya!
Originally Posted By WDWFigment For the sake of clarification, I still like the other site for many purposes, I just find it difficult to engage in a thoughtful and critical conversation regarding the company's decisions there because of certain posters' (well, mostly just JT, but as many of us know, he alone can bring down a discussion...even if he's on your 'ignore') lack of logical reasoning abilities. While I know I've butted heads with many folks here in the past over an issue or another, I at least respect your ability to think rationally and reach conclusions that flow logically from your premises. His conclusions seem to flow unnaturally from...I dunno...Imaginationland. But like I said, I still like the site for a great number of other purposes. <<<<Oy vey - just looked at the Lights of Winter thread, and the usual suspects now think (despite all of the LoW being packed together) that magically "half" was sent out for repairs.>>>> I know you've heard this before, but overstating your position only weakens it, not makes it stronger. One person ASKED whether it was possible that half of the lights were shipped off. <<<<^^^I think you put too much stock in internet complaints Merf. Emails and letters aren't gonna do enough. Tons of complaints at Guest Services will. And overall the reception for SSE 07 was hugely positive. There just wasn't enough negative reviews during testing, or after it was opened.>>> Agreed. Although I don't have any first hand information, my bet is that the new attraction has been very well received with the general public (you know, that same general public who is impressed by those cameras at Wal-Mart that "broadcast" them on "TV"!); my guess is the only thing that was going to finish that descent was a mandate from Seimens. <<<< But please send my love to JT and Jake>>>> Wow, lumping J "Disney closed Pleasure Island, therefore they must have better plans for the area, therefore a great and exciting 5th gate with Beastly Kingdom, JTCOE, etc. must be opening there" T with Jakeman, an articulate individual who reasons through his thoughts? That's cold!
Originally Posted By mousermerf Do not bring the "Disney doesn't know what we're saying and doesn't watch the forums, it's just us and conjecture" crap to this forum. Disney knows darn well what is talked about online and pays people to monitor the various forums. Why do you think they scrambled to make their own Mickey talking video within 24 hours after it going big? Why do you think the parks blog regularly addresses things we're complaining or confused about? That kind of nonsense about Disney only using formal surveys and being completely unaware of the things we say here and elsewhere will not be tolerated. What you say in the public forum counts and your apathy or ability to accept misdirection from people - btw on their payroll who there entirely to mislead you - is being carefully monitored and measured.
Originally Posted By mousermerf And don't talk to me about overdoing it if you're going to hang out in an airport talking to a stuffed animal. Seriously.
