Originally Posted By Dabob2 If they actually ever update it, I imagine they'll both get it, at roughly the same time.
Originally Posted By jmuboy According to AL Lutz's report today, Star Tours 2 is on hold again - this time because WDW does not want to foot 1/2 the bill. So WDI is hoping TDL will foot the bill for 1/2 the development along with DL. In any case, seems the 2010 premiere of this ride won't happen. Looks like 2011 at best now.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Nice! The 55th won't have anything to show for DL, with a gap of pretty much nothing new since the 50th.
Originally Posted By Bellella Why the heck would they want to change the Disneyland Star Tours? Its popularity hasn't lagged - its a FastPass attraction for Pete's sake!
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains Um... It hasn't had a fastpass for a while now. It's usually a 10 to 20 min wait, occasionally it is longer but usually on the busiest of times.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I'd love to do a "decade in review" topic, to look at what are new attractions for the decade, not a heck of a lot. 2000- 2001- 2002- 2003- Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh 2004- 2005- Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters 2006- 2007- Nemo Submarine Voyage (Not sure if this is considered "new", since it was a net loss, then a net gain, as a "returning" attraction) 2008- 2009- 2010 does not count. That's the first year of the new decade. Not a heck of a lot. It's sad. And anything else was a "returning attraction from the dead", or slightly updated.
Originally Posted By oc_dean If we don't count the subs .. which is really a "returning" attraction from the dead, for a decade ... that's leaves two "C" tickets that make up for this last decade! On a practical note though ... DL's remaining space for new attractions is scarce now .. and once the focus shifted to a Second Gated park ... that leaves Park #1 vulnerable to getting stale. Look at the "magic kingdom" park at WDW. With 3 other gated parks ... not a heck of a lot has gone on there in it's 28 year history. And now with the emphasis on DCA from now through 2012 ... DL will be known as the Stagnate Kingdom to match it's sister park in Florida for years to come!
Originally Posted By oc_dean All in all ... It wouldn't be so bad, really ... If only they would FINALLY fix Tomorrowland!!! If they don't want to do anything else for the next 10 years - fine. Just fix Tomorrowland once and for all, please. (I wouldn't mind seeing a new "Cascade Peek" along the shores of the Rivers of America, either.
Originally Posted By ArchtMig >>> 2000- 2001- 2002- 2003- Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh 2004- 2005- Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters 2006- 2007- Nemo Submarine Voyage (Not sure if this is considered "new", since it was a net loss, then a net gain, as a "returning" attraction) 2008- 2009- Not a heck of a lot.<<< Don't forget remade Space Mountain in 2005. Yes Nemo subs are a remake of an existing attraction, but I certainly do think it about as "new" as any other attraction, considering how much effort was spent to bring them back and freshen up the experience. And considering that both Pooh as well as Buzz were not net additions to the park, but came after other attractions in their locations were first removed, I would think that Nemo Subs certainly carries as much gravity as either Pooh or Buzz or Space Mountain for that matter. And while I generally agree with the spirit of your argument in that Disneyland STILL has not received anything as significant as Indy since Indy, I do think Nemo Subs come awfully close. And I would bet that the money spent on fixing up Nemo Subs equals or succeeds the amount spent on the disastrous Tomorrowland '98 redo in its entirety. Which is certainly something, in my view at least.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Why the heck would they want to change the Disneyland Star Tours?" Because the film looks grainy and out of focus? Because it's the exact same sequence of events every time you ride it. Because technology has advanced since 1988? Because there are other stories/adventures that could be explored? Shall I continue?
Originally Posted By ArchtMig >>>Just fix Tomorrowland once and for all, please. (I wouldn't mind seeing a new "Cascade Peek" along the shores of the Rivers of America, either. <<< I agree on both counts. But I do think also that there is room for some new big one-of-a-kind E Ticket. But if that space is located along the backside of the river where you round the final bend before returning to the dock, I'm not sure if I want to see that area developed. It's the last remote wildernessy part of the river where you can look out from the boat and not see guests trampling all over the place. I would kinda like to see it stay that way.
Originally Posted By ArchtMig Back to topic... Reading Al Lutz' column today... if Star Tours were to be remade along those lines, I would be totally cool with that. And I think it would be ultra cool for Disneyland's to be redone while WDW's stays stale. I really hope that WDI can get OLC to share in the development costs. Hope it happens.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Don't forget remade Space Mountain in 2005. << Well .. my point, really, is NEW attractions. That's a refurb. A quite extensive refurb .. but a "Refurbishment". It's not a brand new attraction Disneyland has never seen before. Interestingly about Nemo Subs .. that's a tough one. Yes, it's another refurb of an existing attraction from 1959-1998 ... It's such a totally new show, I think it may constitute as something "New" considering how much money was poured into all new show elements. But since my point is specifically NEW Attractions .. NEW to the Disneyland scene ... that would be Winnie the Pooh Buzz Lightyear What a lackluster decade!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted By oc_dean Eisner and Pressler let the park slide in the 90s .. and it has taken the Aughts to essentially "repair" and restore what they let go bad. I would call this decade ... The Decade of Restoration. Now .. if they can just get around to restoring Tomorrowland .. then we can call Disneyland "fully restored".
Originally Posted By BrnardM To everything you've said ArchtMig, right on! See the thing is that while new rides have seemed scarce this decade, there is a lot about Disneyland that has improved. Attractions like Pirates, the Haunted Mansion, Tom Sawyer(?) island, and Space have been spruced up with todays technology. The 'new' Tomorrowland is being made new again, right down to the paint and the pavers. The Carousel is new and the castle is open! So while all of the changes haven't been as flashy as a new E-ticket, disneyland has been (to quote a favorite song), getting stronger every day.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Well, LOL .. that's called maintenance, which is expected, normal, and is yearly .. pretty much since day one - 1955.
