Originally Posted By jasmine7 Rumor is that there is a tribble in one of the scenes with Scotty. I'm betting it's the first scene with him, though I didn't get the chance to search for it (too busy squeeing over seeing Scotty). I can't wait to go see it again this weekend!
Originally Posted By brotherdave Wow, having a couple of spaceship models when I was 10 years old makes me a "Trekkie"? LOL! I never knew! I guess I'm a 'closet Trekkie' then!!!!
Originally Posted By Labuda Yep, Dave, I discussed it with some co-workers yesterday, jsut to make sure I wans't over-reacting, and having had those models makes you a Trekkie or Trekker, yep! lol
Originally Posted By Mr X Okay. Saw it. Liked it. MY biggest problem was the same one I had with Generations (and even the last one with the Picard clone somewhat as well)... LAME VILLAIN! I mean, come on? He wants revenge on Spock so he decides to blow up the Universe? And for what? Because Spock TRIED to help save his planet and failed? Wha? If America were doomed, and some guy from Italy tried to stop doomsday, would ANYONEOFUS decide that we should destroy Italy (and, the rest of the world to boot) just because we were pissed the rescue didn't succeed? Lame. It would've worked SOMEWHAT better if Spock had actually DONE something wrong (or wrong in Nero's eyes, anyway), like chose between Vulcan and Romulus due to a lack of time. And though a "logical" choice by Spock for various reasons (probability of success or something equally "logical"), Nero takes it the wrong way and thinks Spock killed his planet on purpose.
Originally Posted By Mr X That's why Kahn will always be the ultimate Trek Baddie..he had DARNED GOOD REASON to hate Kirk, since Kirk kinda sorta did screw the guy over. AND, his revenge was totally laser focused unlike this Nero guy. If he met "young" Kirk he wouldn't care about killing him at all, he'd find some way to use him to get at the Kirk he DOES know and hate. At least, that's what I'd guess would happen..assuming good writing.
Originally Posted By danyoung Well, most of my problems with the movie have already beed stated. I did enjoy it, but not as much as I had hoped. I wasn't wild about the massive timeline changes, or the reaction of the Spocks in the film to the destruction of their home planet. I also didn't like Kirk coincidentally landing on the same planet with old Spock (or for that matter, why was Kirk kicked off the ship in the first place instead of just getting thrown in the brig?). And Nero just never gelled for me. I never quite bought that he was crazy, or that his vengeance was warranted. And he had 25 years to sit and stew about things - kind of a long time to hold a grudge. I think my biggest problem with the film was with the overall tone. All other tv shows and films were done under the control of either Gene Roddenberry or his apprentice Rick Berman. So they all had a certain continuity (even though the last couple of movies were pretty awful). Here comes JJ Abrams, an accomplished writer, producer and director, but an admitted non-fan of Trek lore. While he did an admirable job, I just don't think the right ST tone was there. It was a great action adventure movie, but there was little soul, little of that pioneering sense that Roddenberry always brought to the table. I'm hoping Abrams improves on this with the next movie. Oh, and Spock & Uhura? Lame.
Originally Posted By Mort2 FYI: <a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film?utm_source=a-section" target="_blank">http://www.theonion.com/conten...-section</a>
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Saw the film. Liked it. Liked it a lot. Didn't quite love it, though. And while I agree with some of the criticism above, I have to temper it with some very basic facts. The first -- and some would say only one that matters -- is that Trek was dead before this movie. Dead ... and desolate ... and yesterday. Now, it's alive and vibrant and beating again, even if the rhythm is a bit different from the familiar. The last few films were so forgetable ... how many times do you destroy the Enterprise? How ridiculous do you make the android? Honestly, the only film I truly enjoyed with the Next Generation cast was First Contact. And the last few TV shows? Well, Voyager was simply NG with a female captain and Enterprise? Well, I didn't even make it a season with that before giving up. It all felt old and tired and done before ... and done much better on the original show and then again on NG. Deep Space Nine was a bit different and darker. But ... back to the matter at hand. Star Trek was a corpse as a franchise because most old fans didn't like the NG films, most of which played like extended TV episodes, and the new shows, which kept repeating same old, same old (and often used time travel and crossovers to excite the fans). And Trek wasn't gaining any new fans either ... While some of the changes were drastic (the tale of two Spocks ... no more Vulcan being the biggies), I don't think JJ could have rebooted the franchise so succesfully otherwise. The film just looked fantastic and BIG ... something lacking in almost every predecessor (people tend to forget that most of the films were mediocre at best, but felt comfortable because people loved the actors). The BO this thing is getting isn't simply the Trek geeks. This isn't your father's Star Trek, but neither was most of the crap Paramount put out over the last decade plus either. I think this going back -- and yeah, rewriting things -- is going to allow it to continue to grow and flourish in the future. Maybe some of the familiar history will be back, maybe not. But, either way, I'll be happy. The film actually left me wanting more ... I'd have loved it if there had been another 20-30 minutes.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>LAME VILLAIN!<< Oh yeah. But (to me at least) this was another link to the original wellspring. I mean, c'mon. How many truly lame villains did Kirk deal with in his original three year mission...?
Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs Maybe there can be three or four Villains in the next one: Mudd, the Black and White Riddler, Dinosaur and Shocked Area 51 Alien...maybe Clint Howard can reprise his role as the Laughing Midget. Sorry...I don't know the names of these characters as you can tell, but I'm sure you can guess which ones I'm talking about.
Originally Posted By danyoung Let's see if I can display my ST geekdom. Mudd was of course Harcord Fenton Mudd (or MY LORD MUDD). The blak & white riddler would be either Beal or Loki (Frank Gorshin played Beal, but he's sadly no longer with us). I'm not sure the dinosaur ever had a name in the show. I don't know who the shocked area 51 alien refers to. And of course Clint Howard played Balock, from the ship Fesarious. And when he left his encouter with the Enterprise he took Lieutenant Bailey with him, never to be heard from again. Freakin' geek . . .
Originally Posted By hightp I would have liked to see a Gorn, too. I was/am a fan of the original show, and the spinoffs, and I liked the movie. What was said before was true, the original franchise is dead, so if you wanted to do a 'classic' Kirk and Spock episode, you had to do a reboot. Unlike some of the previous posters, I didn't care for he time travel aspect of the film. It's been done before, and done to death in the ST movies. I felt the time travel was only written into the story as a vehicle to give Leonard Neimoy one final shot at Spock. I would have much preferred that Abrams say, "OK, we're going to do a new Star Trek, and I'm going to revamp the history." I guess it wouldn't have gone over as well with the fans, but it would have been a new, fresh start and the old fans wouldn't have to worry about alternate timelines and the hope that Walter Koenig will pop up in a future movie.
Originally Posted By danyoung >...and the hope that Walter Koenig will pop up in a future movie.< After the success of Babylon 5, I much more relate Koenig with his character Alfred Bester. Man, did he do a great job at being a slimy bad guy! Who would've thought sweet little Chekov had it in him?
Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs <<danyoung: The blak & white riddler would be either Beal or Loki (Frank Gorshin played Beal, but he's sadly no longer with us). I don't know who the shocked area 51 alien refers to.>> Yes, I was referring to Frank Gorshin, hence the 'riddler' comment. And that "Shocked Area 51 Alien"...um, they just released some remakes of the figures from the classic series and Suncoast has them for sale. I always remember seeing the Shocked/Angry Alien at the end credits.
Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balok" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balok</a>
Originally Posted By SoThisIsLove I loved the movie!!!! Best Star Trek movie made, and my runner-up would be The Wrath of Khan. I'd like to see the Spock in love episode, the Tribbles (because I am sentimental) and I think every movie should have Bones muttering, "D**n it, Jim!" just because it amuses me. Cannot wait to see this one again. *sigh*
Originally Posted By danyoung >I always remember seeing the Shocked/Angry Alien at the end credits.< Would that be the big rubber looking thing with the suckers? That would be Nancy, from the first of the regular run episodes. Well, actually it's the nameless creature that killed Nancy and took her place with Dr. Krater. Frakkin' geek!
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>I'd like to see the Spock in love episode, the Tribbles...<< "Amok Time" and "The Trouble with Tribbles" and I have no idea how I knew those titles off the top of my head. Really.
