Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Well, actually it's the nameless creature that killed Nancy and took her place with Dr. Krater.<< "Turnabout Intruder," I believe. (Really scarin' meself...)
Originally Posted By Labuda Ok, so can someone remind me of the name of the episode my friends at work told me I need to see of the original SST? It was soemthing like City on the edge of forever or something???? Maybe written by Harlan Ellison..
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>...the original franchise is dead...<< In a manner of speaking this is correct. I had to look up the complete film list, and was surprised to find I had not seen the last THREE (count 'em) films. I really didn't know there had been three since "Generations." (That's the one where Kirk and Picard meet, and KIRK DIES.) After that, the crew of The Next generation proceeded to run the franchise into the ground with "First Contact," "Insurrection" and "Nemesis." (10 feature films all together, incidently, making the new one number 11. Who knew?) Meanwhile, over on the broadcast side, did ANYONE watch Enterprise, the FIFTH official live action series?
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Ok, so can someone remind me of the name of the episode my friends at work told me I need to see of the original SST? It was soemthing like City on the edge of forever or something???? Maybe written by Harlan Ellison.<< "City on the Edge of Forever" is often cited as the "best" original Star Trek episode. (It won a Hugo Award in 1968, the only episode to ever do so.) Harlan Ellison did write the original script, but it was heavily rewritten before filming. It's a time travel story, set in New York City in the 1930s, and guest stars Joan Collins in a surprisingly touching role. Fun fact: The New York City scenes with the Enterprise crew were shot on the old backlot that had been Mayberry for the Andy Griffith Show.
Originally Posted By Labuda Ok, thanks, Doug! now, a followup question to anyone who can access itunes right now since I can't - is that episode available? And if so, how much money will I be parting with when I buy or rent it?
Originally Posted By DlandDug I don't know about iTunes, but you can watch the whole thing on YouTube right now: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNNQMIjjWgQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...QMIjjWgQ</a>
Originally Posted By Ursula < ALso not a Trekkie but Husband knows what I mean when we hire in a new person and their new name is Redshirt. I think that if JJ Abrams actually went in, started fresh with a young crew, ignored everything and didn't do the timeline thing, he'd be shot. Or something.
Originally Posted By SoThisIsLove >>I'd like to see the Spock in love episode, the Tribbles...<< >>"Amok Time" and "The Trouble with Tribbles" and I have no idea how I knew those titles off the top of my head. Really.<< Dug, I'm a little scared that I knew the titles were right (especially "Amok Time") the moment I read them. Thank you! Spock: How do Vulcans choose their mates...haven't you wondered? Kirk: I guess the rest of us assumed it's done.....quite logically. LOL!!! And the fight to the death scene? That music....oh my goodness. "City On The Edge of Forever". I had totally forgotten about that one. <---wondering if she should have an alternate identity while discussing "Star Trek"....SoThisIsAmok?
Originally Posted By friendofdd Saw it this afternoon (thurs is $3 day for us old folks). With string and M(embrane) theory, it was no surprise that the time line had some large differences. That didn't bother me too much. I enjoyed the movie but could have done without the Spock-Uhura thing, the shaking jumping camera work for the fist fights (Kirk was always fast with his fists)and hand-to-hand combat which made it seem video-gameish, and if the snow monster was there just so he could get to the cave, there must be a better way.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***if the snow monster was there just so he could get to the cave, there must be a better way.*** Definitely. That whole section was a little weak imho. Starting with "get him off this ship". Wha? Why not just throw him in the brig? Pretty lame (but overall...cool movie).
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Hey everyone, just saw this thread today . Well, I saw it for a second time here in Australia with Irishfan and a few other Non Star fans and they ALL loved it!! I was with four other people and was suprised how much all of them really liked it and none of them are Star Trek fans. Actually one girl who saw it with us has never seen any of Star Trek and I think she liked it more then anyone, so its really striking a chord with the nonfans, which the film was made for in the firs place. And I think some of you remember, I was lucky enough to be one of the first to see the film at the beginning of April in the first world premiere and I wrote a slight review for it (notice how spoil free most of it is lol) in one of the threads I made. Decided to repost it here and see how much people agree with my initial assessment . Here it is: _________________________________________ Yes, Trek fans will like it, but it IS geared toward non-fans, thats just the truth. You dont have to go and watch the film and know jack about Star Trek, but yes if you watch the show, there is more then enough references and back story only fans will know to keep you entertained and of course its just fun to see how they all got together. How compelling is it? Does it have a emotional chord? It's compelling, especially the beginning when you meet Kirks dad at the beginning of the film. Its HIGHLY dramatic and emotional and sets the tone for the rest of the film. The character developments are good, but some are lacking like Chekov (and the accent gets annoying---fast!) and even Sulu. But the rest have enough punch to really keep you interested and that you are seeing a different, younger versions of these characters for the first time. They give Uhura waaaay more in this film then the original Uhura ever got for example (and there are LOTS of jokes about her not saying her first name since the original character never had one ). The stuff with Dr. McCoy and Scotty are fun. You dont get to know a lot about them, but you quickly get a sense of who they are and where they been. The actors does an amazing job with the roles IMO. Scotty was definitely the highlight and comic relief. Unfortunately he doesnt come in until halfway through the movie. But the MAIN characters, Kirk and Spock of course is where most of the development and core of the story is. Again, they do a good job and you really see a different side of them the show only hinted at, especially Spock. It was pretty interesting to see him as a kid an his character goes through A LOT in this film. You really feel bad for him. I still dont know how I feel about the actor playing him though. He really doesnt look all that much like Spock, not that it matters, but thats all I kept hearing and why he was chosen. Some of the mannerisms are good, but some of it a little forced. But he did a good job overall. And its a SPOCK story end of the day. It's a Kirk story in the foreground since we are invested in him and how he becomes Captain, but in the background, what pushes the actual plot is Spock and his relationship with Nero the bad guy. As for Kirk, yeah, well played, but the actor doesnt try to mimic what Shatner did or any of those pauses....in...mid-sentence and stuff like that. You get a sense of the guy we all know, but it is played differently although later he does start to seem more and more like Kirk. So yes, there are geniune emotions, there is a lot of inner-conflict, self-identity issues and the usual becoming a man through a crisis theme. Most of it you seen a thousand times, but done generally well here. As far as the ending, that has me the most conflicted actually. For one, it just felt reeeaaally rushed. So much of this film goes by fast, A LOT happens, but the ending its all kind of resolved with a happy ending way---even though its really not a happy ending. Yeah, confusing I know lol, but like I said ALOT happens . But I dont like how they just made Kirk Captain. Its all too coincidental to me. Kirk is basically a trouble maker through much of the film, half way through he starts to do the right thing and they give a cadet (yes, he hasnt even GRADUATED yet lol) who was actually being disciplined to captain of his own starship in a matter of days!!! Yeah, its a little far fetched and I havent heard one good excuse from a regular fan how this makes any logical sense, especially the end of one single mission. Give him a commerdation, promote him if you want, but CAPTAIN?? Matter of fact, if I got the story right, the character never even goes into space for the first time until this first mission (could be wrong, but you never see them in space before), so its a streeeeetch. But sure, there is TONS of action, it is an action film, you cant escape that, but there are a lot of quiter moments too. Its not all slam, bam, thank you maam but yes, the story drives the action mostly. You dont see a lot of unneccesary fights for the hell of it. Overall though, people WILL have issues with this film and certain things that happens in it, but I think most people who are just happy to see Trek on the screen again and these characters will love it for the most part. It couldve had more emotional pull and less comedy actually, but the people I saw it with seem to love it. The few people I did talk to after the film seems to really like it and some of the boards I been reading too. Its not the best Trek movie ever made, nor the second, or the third...but it IS good!! _________________________________________ So there was my first reaction. Seeing a month later and looking more closely at things, actually not too much has changed for me. I liked it a lot, but didnt love it. The Kirk thing at the end sill bothered me, but Chekhov became a tad less annoying....a tad. I did like younger Spock a little more this time too. The story is the story, like I said, the older fans would probably have problems with it and the changes. I didnt really, but all the coincidences still bothers me. Ultimately it has its problems but if alternate universe stuff doesnt bother people, I think most like it more then hate it. Thats why ultimately this plays better for nonfans....they dont care about ANY of that stuff .
Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs Ah, the "shocked alien" I was thinking of is called The Keeper <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Original-Scotty-Figures/dp/B0027DY8Q0/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1242424215&sr=1-14" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Star-Tre...&sr=1-14</a>
Originally Posted By beamerdog >> Joan Collins<< Ahhh. Edith Keeler. One of my favorite episodes. "She knows, Jim. She knows." *sigh*
Originally Posted By danyoung >Ah, the "shocked alien" I was thinking of is called The Keeper< Interesting. That's the puppet that was the alternate face of Balok, played by a very young Clint Howard. He was never named in the show - maybe he was named in the script?
Originally Posted By TheRedhead "After that, the crew of The Next generation proceeded to run the franchise into the ground with "First Contact," "Insurrection" and "Nemesis."" Before I saw this latest Star Trek movie, I would have said that "First Contact" was the best ST movie, followed very closely by "ST II." If you have any interest in Star Trek at all, you must see "First Contact." But I saw "Star Trek" today, and it is far and away the best Star Trek movie I've seen. Loved it, loved it, loved it, loved it. That opening scene is amazing. And when I finally realized what it was that this film was doing in terms of creating an alternate Star Trek universe...I nearly stood up and applauded. Again, Loved it. And I totally disagree with whomever said it doesn't 'feel' like a Star Trek film. This is Star Trek through and through. I have always felt that the greatest Star Trek movie was actually the series finale of ST:TNG. This movie, for me, had the same exact feel and was just as good.
Originally Posted By danyoung >And I totally disagree with whomever said it doesn't 'feel' like a Star Trek film.< That was me, and I stand by my comment. But I wouldn't for an instant try to say that you're wrong to feel the way you do. As I said, I've been a fan since watching the original series, LIVE on NBC back in the 60's. I've got a pretty clear sense as to what makes a good ST story. And I think this new movie skewed a bit too far to the side of action-adventure. Where was the excitement of meeting a new race, of trying to solve a mystery about them, about travelling to a new place in or out of the galaxy that's never been experienced before? None of that was there. Doesn't mean it was a bad movie - far from it. But I was hoping for something a little different.
Originally Posted By TheRedhead ^^^ I wouldn't say you're wrong either. And I figure you definitely have a different Star Trek perspective than I do. I hated the original series, and have never been able to sit through an entire episode. I'm more of a fan of TNG, I'm aware of the mythology of the original series really only through TNG episodes, and I feel this movie felt a lot like TNG. But TNG always seemed more action-adventurey than the original (gut feeling only of course).
Originally Posted By teddibubbles We just saw it.. hubby said its a 9. I have to agree with many coments here. I LOVED this movie. ( I want to buy it!) but the things I didn't like was.. I am a older person. and alot of movement was fast forward to me. Don't get me wrong I could have been happy with even two more hours of film. ( LOL as long as There was smoke breaks) and I didn't like the death of the mom thing.. ( the mom was in the older spock stuff!) ( and Spocks dad was much too nice and concernedof feelings. to fit with the old story line. than the sinic he has allways been to and of Spock!) I must agree that bad guy. back story. didn't cut it to me. as far as belivable. and the snow monster stuff was too star wars for my taste. other than that.. everyone was fantastic. and I am more of a treckie fan than ever. I can't wait for much much much more.. and with a open heart of love! I want to thank them for the last part. useing Spock. I cryed at the end and weeped awhile. from Spocks voice. saying the last words.. I thought of how very much. we have had that wonderful person in our hearts.. that we had a great leader. on that voyage of time. and that. this COULD be the last we hear from that wonderful person. on THIS Voyage of Life. but then again. we all will travel past space our Final frontier.
