Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Would it be so difficult to be nice to everyone, even if you don't agree with what they have to say Beaumandy? Your blood pressure must be out of this world!>> I am nice and my blood pressure is fine. But in the this section, it's full contact, that is what politics is, always has been. When people have policies that can harm my family, it's going to get a bit spirited. I also like the way the Pirate Ride smells when you go down the second drop. I got to go to work.... I assume this very interesting thread will be admined to death. Jim, keep working on shuting the section down. Go get em.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF >>Is it a personal attack to call someone a liberal when they have admitted they are one?<< No, but you don't stop there. You have to attack them and their values and their lives. You're not interested in what they have to say or or think or try to find any common ground. It's all about WIN WIN WIN and your quest for superiority.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy jasmine, who is out having angry protests in the streets? Who is shouting down conservative speakers whenever they give a public speech. Its the people on the left. I am a rare conservative who actually fights back and will take the angry left on blow for blow. Of course I become the mean one to them.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<No, but you don't stop there. You have to attack them and their values and their lives.>> You are saying the left is not guilty of this Tim? Please.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I'm not saying that you have to agree with everything or even ANYTHING that another person says, but can't we at least acknowledge that one has the RIGHT to a differing opinion without calling them names?<< That would be great. I don't think anyone expects total agreement on any subject -- it would be boring. It would be nice to have a forum here where things could be 'discussed' rather than 'argued.' That's the only reason I dipped back in here this morning, hoping that could happen. Hoping that the chief person responsible for making level-headed discussions impossible might at long, long last step up and make a commitment to change, so that more of us could feel able to return to WE. That doesn't mean change viewpoints, just change behavior, so that this could be a place for mature, challenging discussions.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Shooba, thanks for you last post. Can you at least tell me a place where liberalism has been put into place where it has worked? Take the stuff the libs in this country really want and put it into action. ( The horror! ).. now tell me where the libs got their way and their way has ever worked. I REALLY have to go.
Originally Posted By LadyKluck >>But in the this section, it's full contact, that is what politics is, always has been.<< Funny, I can talk politics and not feel like I have to piledrive the person to make them see things from my point of view...maybe that's just me though.
Originally Posted By jasmine7 <<jasmine, who is out having angry protests in the streets? Who is shouting down conservative speakers whenever they give a public speech. Its the people on the left. I am a rare conservative who actually fights back and will take the angry left on blow for blow. Of course I become the mean one to them.<< Beau, we are not talking about people out on the street. We are talking about how people behave on this website (which, yes, is a reflection of the world outside, but BOTH sides yell at each other out there, not just the "evil liberals").
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA And here we are once again, having a one-sided debate with Beaumandy... unreal. DON'T post in WE events was the mantra!
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF >>You are saying the left is not guilty of this Tim? Please.<< We're not talking about the left. We're talking about YOU.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Can you at least tell me a place where liberalism has been put into place where it has worked?<< That isn't on topic in this thread. That's an attempt to steer it away from you having to own what you do. This thread is about behavior.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Is it a personal attack to call someone a liberal when they have admitted they are one?" Yes, when you use it as a word to attack someone. When you use it to say "liberals want to make it easier for terrorists to attack me." Because, the truth is that no one wants to make it easier for terrorists to attack you, they simply have a different idea as to how to make terrorist attacks less likely. Your statements in post 37 are so far off base from reality and the truth, that it's almost laughable. You plainly don't understand politics at all, and do not have a mature view of it. Simply calling anything you disagree with "liberal," and then claiming that same anything you disagree with as being responsible for every single ill that befalls the world is myopic and betrays a lack of comprehension of the world around you. This is not a new phenomena. This sort of thing happens all the time. It is very easy to pick a group of people, whether they exist or not and blame THEM for all the problems we may be facing. Nazis did it to the Jews, Catholics and Protestants did it to each other in Europe for years, and your kind does it with "liberals." And, of course, a liberal is always anyone who doesn't happen to agree lockstep with whatever it is you happen to think. Whereas the truth is that people have a broad spectrum of opinion on all sorts of things, and really are not easily pegged into one lump category. And when you do try to lump them all into one category, you make it such that you can not see the truth of the matter, because the world is NOT a black/white set of issues. Everyone and every philosophy has good ideas and bad ideas. And if you can't see that, you're viewpoints are going to be relegated to the ash heap, as they have by what appears to be nearly everyone here on this board. Trust me, I've had run ins with all of them, at one time or another, over all sorts of things. And I've also had agreements with all of them, too. Just because they don't agree with you means that they are stupid (well, except for this one guy). What it means is that they simply don't agree with you. That doesn't make them wrong. That doesn't make them right. Because you may not be right or wrong on any issue, either. It also doesn't mean they are out to take away your "religious" beliefs or your safety. They simply have a different idea as to how to best proceed. How politics works in this world is via compromise. And if you are of the mindset where it is your way or the highway, historically your way is going to end up hitting the highway. Extremism and lack of understanding or tolerance of other viewpoints is never going to get you anything but emnity, and your ideas ignored.
Originally Posted By Eric Paddon "Suppose I said that someone said believe something because they were "black," or a "jew?"" That is really laughable considering the ambush I've gotten from some people in this place simply because I'm a Christian. You've just demonstrated to a tee the points I made in the DVC threads how bigotry against Christianity that uses the same tactics that would be denounced if the targets were a more PC faith or social class is something that inevitably gets a yawn from those who set themselves up as the epitomoe of "tolerance." Beau, keep the faith because contrary to what some of the people are trying to post, you have supporters and admirers here who understand what's really playing out here, and that's the inability of certain people on the left to let the merits of their beliefs carry an argument for them.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy I find it hard to be nice to a liberal when I know if they get their way the country and my family is harmed. Since that is a bold statement I challenge the people on the left to tell me a place where their viewpoints put into action actually WORK and are not destructive. I know if a liberal called me out like that and told me conservatism is evil and to provide a place where it has worked I would be all over that and would be delighted to put that statement right back at them. But your premise that it's beamandy as the one rude, not nice personon here K2man is a joke and you know it. It is good to see you again. Tell Tom to come back and I will try to mellow out. I get the point. Have a great day, off to Tumwater Washington. Artisians!!!!!!!
Originally Posted By jonvn Since writing that some more posts came in so: It is of absolutely no consequence what someone does outside this board. If a liberal person shouts down a conservative speaker, or conservative people shout down a liberal one (I've seen both), that means nothing here. Simply because someone else in an entirely differen location and different type of venue behaves badly gives no one cause or excuse to do the same thing here. Argue your viewpoint from facts, and if you can't do that, then your viewpoint is very weak indeed.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder Never thought I'd say something like this, but sign me up for everything jonvn has written here so far. He is exactly on the money. K2M as well.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy jonvn, you can take you little post about maturity...anyway. Tell ya what. Tell me how the left is going to keep my family safe from terrorists who have no regard for laws or rules. Until you can do that, you are yet another person who is all talk with nothing to back it up. Kinda like many liberal professors who think they are brilliant yet they are totall clueless. Hey, where is that liberal place on earth that has worked so well again jon?
Originally Posted By Eric Paddon THe only thing "weak" I'm seeing here is the crybaby attitude of certain people who it seems have a hang-up when it comes to seeing a conservative stand up for their own POV forcefully. I can tell you this, you sure haven't seen from me or from Beaumandy the kind of sewer that a certain hypocrite who said he didn't like grand exits but would exempt himself from that standard resorted to when he used the term "anti-Christ" and "Nazi" to describe those he had a hang-up with on a religious issue. But I'll just leave the number of self-inflicted holes in the glass houses of the left continue to pile up since all it does is prove a basic point.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Thanks Eric. If only my kids could be in your class when they get older.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <It is good to see you again. Tell Tom to come back and I will try to mellow out. I get the point.> Don't do it. It's a trap!!! <I find it hard to be nice to a liberal when I know if they get their way the country and my family is harmed.> Because, when it comes right down to it Beaumandy. It's all about you. Be it in this thread or in your poker tournament or in the land of Artesian Water. It's all about Beaumandy.
