Originally Posted By TomSawyer There's nothing wrong with giving through private charity. The hospital I work for provides about $75 million a year in charity care funded mainly by our fundraising arm. But it is very inefficient and costly for thousands of charities to pay for medical care, and there would be even more bureaucracy and administrative costs than the same services provided by fewer entities under a public plan.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Why don't charities pick up the bill for education?>> Some offer scholarships.
Originally Posted By DAR <<and yet still, even with all these charities you're so fond of>> Well that's the Christian in me.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 The somewhat illogical Christian, I'm afraid. We HAVE charities. Zillions of them. And yet we still have 50 million Americans without health insurance, and millions more underinsured, and millions more in danger of losing it. The existence of charities - one would think, quite obviously - does not mean Americans will be adequately covered. Also, read Tom's second paragraph in #21, and fully digest it.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<Well that's the Christian in me.>> I'm a Christian too, and think giving to charity is a wonderful thing. But I don't think it's a solution for America's Health Care system. (See TomSawyer's and Dabob's posts.)
Originally Posted By DAR <<And yet we still have 50 million Americans without health insurance, and millions more underinsured, and millions more in danger of losing it.>> Does that include the 12 million illegal immigrants in that number?
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones It sounded like states were cutting aid but federal Pell Grants were being beefed up. Since my school is so slow to doll out the financial aid, I have no idea what I'm getting until I'm a month into the semester.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Does that include the 12 million illegal immigrants in that number?<< I forgot about that part in the New Teatament where Jesus said "Give to the poor - unless you don't like them." And your post is pointless. Are we to believe there aren't ways to solve the problem? Yes, big bad government will screw it up, so just keep the status quo."
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<<And yet we still have 50 million Americans without health insurance, and millions more underinsured, and millions more in danger of losing it.>> <Does that include the 12 million illegal immigrants in that number?> I don't think so. Even if it did, that's 38 million Americans without, and millions more in the other categories. To be frank, your question sounded to me like nothing so much as "is there another excuse we can find to do nothing?"
Originally Posted By Mr X DAR wrote: * Sure it does if we want to pay for it we're going to have take from money from things like education, the military. * I'm worried about how can we afford this without raising taxes or cutting vital programs in this country. * we're still going to have to cut programs to make this work * What's wrong with giving through private charity? * Does that include the 12 million illegal immigrants in that number? I just have one question, DAR. Do you get your GOP talking points tick sheet online, or does Michael Steele personally FAX you a copy every morning? ;p (just sayin)
Originally Posted By Mr X DAR wrote: * Sure it does if we want to pay for it we're going to have take from money from things like education, the military. * I'm worried about how can we afford this without raising taxes or cutting vital programs in this country. * we're still going to have to cut programs to make this work * What's wrong with giving through private charity? * Does that include the 12 million illegal immigrants in that number? I just have one question, DAR. Do you get your GOP talking points tick sheet online, or does Michael Steele personally FAX you a copy every morning? ;p (just sayin)
Originally Posted By DAR <<"Don't raise my taxes! Shame if that little boy with leukemia dies because his parents can't afford it. But don't raise my taxes!" My god this country is so selfish>> I want to address this point. So I'm working two jobs right now but the one job I don't work from October to April(baseball season ends). I live by myself so I make enough to make my house payment every month. Pay my bills and put food on the table. Any extra money gets put away. Usually that money will be split between having money for home or car repairs. So while I get by, I do have it in the back of my mind will I be able to afford all my necessities each month. I wonder if there's a middle class tax cut can I and many others like me afford it. Can we afford to pay for healthcare? And yet because we worry about our lives. Because we want to make sure our families or ourselves are taken care of first, we're called selfish because we don't want to pay for other people's health care. I'm sorry but if you can't take care of yourself how can you take care of others.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones They just cancelled a bunch of classes today. Damn, I had my schedule all lined up the way I wanted it. Damn these budget cuts!
Originally Posted By TomSawyer DAR, if you have health insurance you are already paying for someone else's health care. And if you have insurance with a for-profit company you are paying for big executive bonuses as well. If you don't have insurance, then God help you of you get sick or injured this year.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>So while I get by, I do have it in the back of my mind will I be able to afford all my necessities each month.<< It will be a lot more than the back of your mind if you do get a serious illness, and your insurance company decides they don't have to pay for treatment because you forgot to dot an i somewhere on your application form.
Originally Posted By DAR Fine let me worry about myself before I can be concerned with total strangers.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Fine let me worry about myself before I can be concerned with total strangers.<< I'm telling you to worry about yourself. You're under the auspices of our current broken-and-getting-worse insurance debacle. Right now. You think you're protected? You think your health care is taken care of? Then you have indeed been drinking the Kool-Aid.
Originally Posted By DAR And what evidence do you, do any of us have that the government would do a better job? We don't.
