Originally Posted By onlyme Yes, send all illegal immigrants back home. That will, undoubtedly, leave all fruits, vegetables, and nuts rotting in the field. Sorry, but we Americans just ain't gonna do that work. Like it or not, we need the work that SOME of them provide. Regarding the shirts...sure, they were worn, specifically, on this day for a reason. But, I don't get offended by a "viva la raza" or "Black Power" shirt, so this is nothing to me. As long as it's not inflammatory, let them express themselves.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Yes, send all illegal immigrants back home. That will, undoubtedly, leave all fruits, vegetables, and nuts rotting in the field. Sorry, but we Americans just ain't gonna do that work. << I love that argument because if we did get rid of all illegal immigrants, we would end up adapting and changing our lifestyle, and survive just fine without illegal immigrants....
Originally Posted By onlyme And, I agree with that. I'm just saying that it's not as easy as it sounds (getting rid of illegal immigrants). One adaption would be unionized field workers and paying $2.00 for an orange. :0
Originally Posted By pecos bill I cant get over how people seem to think that all illegals do here is pick fruit and mow lawns. They are competing directly with American citizens for jobs in industry and construction. They have caused substantial decreases in wages of the jobs that are still available. They are a huge burden on our strained social systems. And most of them have come to this country under false pretenses. What part of this do you politically correct Pollyanna's not get? So a few citizens wish to express themselves regarding this matter, and are instantly labeled as racists, and god forbid they do it on Cinco De Mayo!
Originally Posted By ecdc This is known as the "OJ Killed His Wife and the Cops are Corrupt" principle. Illegal immigration is a serious problem, and a lot of the people who protest it are racist. It's not an either/or concept. The more we learn about the tea baggers especially, the more we really do see that they are pretty thoroughly racist.
Originally Posted By onlyme Personally, I'm not hunky-dory about illegals coming in droves to this country. But, I also understand that a lot of them do substantial work here...work that "we" have no interest in doing. And, I'm a "racist/bigoted" conservative, to boot. Go figure.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Cinco De Mayo is a holiday to celebrate a Mexican victory in a Mexican war....>> ... against the French who were supporting the Confederate Army in our Civil War. Their defeat was detrimental to the Confederate states, which was a needed boost for the North. If you're pleased that the North won the Civil War, you have the Mexican Army to partially thank for that, in their battle against the French.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I live in Germany and that would be like me celebrating 4th of July in Germany, they would look at me like I am crazy....> FWIW, many American ex-pat communities in various countries DO celebrate 4th of July among themselves. I was invited to one when I happened to be in Europe one 4th of July. They had hot dogs, a softball game, (legal) fireworks... it was fun - a little bit of home away from home. And yeah, yeah - AFAIK none of those people were in that country illegally. But that's also true of millions of American citizens of Mexican descent celebrating Cinco de Mayo up here.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 FWIW, many American ex-pat communities in various countries DO celebrate 4th of July among themselves. I was invited to one when I happened to be in Europe one 4th of July. They had hot dogs, a softball game, (legal) fireworks... it was fun - a little bit of home away from home.<< I know, we celebrate on post yearly, but you don't see us doing celebrations on the local economy.... Thus, does it really matter what we wear? If Border Patrol T-shirts offend someone, oh well, if they are here legally, then they shouldnt have a problem.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <but you don't see us doing celebrations on the local economy....> What's a "celebration on the local economy?" You talked about celebrating 4th of July in another country, as though that were weird in itself, which it's not. As for the border patrol shirts, I do think it's like the confederate flag on MLK day. It's deliberately set up to provoke. If you can't see that, I think you're trying too hard not to. Of course, they have the right to wear such shirts, just as different jerks have the right to wear confederate flags. But we then have the right to call them out.
Originally Posted By DAR Let's be honest Cinco De Mayo is just another excuse for white people to get drunk.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Ask 1000 people what Cinco De Mayo is about, I bet at least 900 have no friggin clue why it is celebrated...
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Ask 1000 people what Cinco De Mayo is about, I bet at least 900 have no friggin clue why it is celebrated...> Ask 1000 people who St. Patrick was, and I bet most have no clue. Even a lot of Irish. Cinco de Mayo has essentially become "celebrate Mexican-American heritage" day, the same way St. Patrick's Day has become "celebrate Irish-American heritage" day; it's much bigger here than in Ireland, just as CDM is much bigger here than in Mexico.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Thus, does it really matter what we wear? If Border Patrol T-shirts offend someone, oh well, if they are here legally, then they shouldnt have a problem. >>> ... except that in AZ, they now have to worry about being singled out as being possible illegals and showing their papers to local law enforcement at every interaction.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Ask 1000 people who St. Patrick was, and I bet most have no clue. Even a lot of Irish. Cinco de Mayo has essentially become "celebrate Mexican-American heritage" day, the same way St. Patrick's Day has become "celebrate Irish-American heritage" day; it's much bigger here than in Ireland, just as CDM is much bigger here than in Mexico. >>> Thank you for making that point - I was about to do so myself. How CDM is celebrated in Mexico or how 4th of July is celebrated in Germany are irrelevant. We're talking about the United States here. CDM is a common minor holiday associated with Mexico, as is St. Patrick's day with respect to Ireland. As others have pointed out, they're both used as an excuse to drink alcohol, but nonetheless are widely associated with a particular country and its heritage. The fact that 4th of July is not celebrated by non-Americans in Germany is totally irrelevant.
Originally Posted By WDW1982 If their illegal send them back. I'm tired of paying for their babies and not getting what ! have worked hard for all theseyears.
Originally Posted By Mr X Why not send all the poorly educated folks back from whence they came? Their a problem for America too! ;p
