Originally Posted By jonvn "and so the over-hyping begins just like always on the internet. Prepare for massive disappointment" Yep. Hasn't failed yet.
Originally Posted By DLFAN1979 60AAs?? So have they rebuilt the OLD AAs and reprogrammed them? Because i assume all the Nemo stuff is projected. Or is it the same AAs? hmmm. very intresting. And 40 guests a Sub is good. Those are Jungle Cruise #s, so i see OHRC at possibly 1700 guests an hour.
Originally Posted By Roger55 I was wondering what hourly ridership is going to be. 40Guest per sub alone does not give you any idea what ridership is going to be, regardless if that is the same capacity of a JC boat. Of course you also have to take into account how many subs can be loaded, dispatched and unloaded in an hour. The article did mention 30 second spacing for show timing elements, which would translate to a theoretical 80/minute or a whopping 4800/hour. Now it is probably safe to say that 30 second load and displatch times are unachievable, but what would a resonable time be? With multiple subs being used, 30 second dispatches could technically happen for periods of time when subs are queued up, but it wouldn't be sustainable for long periods of time. DLFAN1979s estimate of 1700 might take into account load and unload times for the JC boat, but I would think the subs are going to take a heck of a lot longer to perform the same task of getting 40 Guests on and off. Anyone else have any ideas?
Originally Posted By jonvn There is no way they will be able to dispatch these things every 30 seconds. You can not get 40 people to get in, sit down and be ready to go in 30 seconds.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "IMHO, the Over-Hyping was started by the Disneyland Media folks, who found a way to have the FRONT page." Besides Al's forecast about long lines, there was very little hype in the article.
Originally Posted By jonvn 40 per sub, each sub taking 2 minutes to load, that's 30 times an hour, that's 1200 people per hour. At 1 minute per load, you'd get 2400. So maybe around 1500 is about right. even 1 minute seems somewhat quick, everyone has to walk down the steps, trudge through the sub, and go all the way to the end to sit and all that.
Originally Posted By avromark ^^^ What were the old sub load times? I'd imagine they'd actually be slower at first as not many CM's left have actually done the procedure. I'd also imagine that guests are not going to "walk fast" during the loads, heck with todays girths I'd imagine the load may even be slightly slower. Or will they hire people like they do in Japan to "shove" people into the subs?
Originally Posted By jonvn They had to be about a minute. It was a difficult staircase to get down, as it was steep and curved. Then you had to walk all the way to the end of the row, which in itself was cramped, and in the middle there was the platform the employee had to stand. This is just getting the people in. First they had to get the sub to the load location, put ropes on the thing to hold it in place, put in the gangplanks, open the doors, let people out, let the people in, close the doors, retract the gangplanks, and remove the ropes before it could go. Somehow someone convinced someone who doesn't know better that they could do all this in 30 seconds, if what was said is accurate, which I kind of doubt. There is no way.
Originally Posted By TP2000 Al Lutz has repeatedly stated in multiple updates over the past year that Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage is looking at hourly counts in the 1000 to 1200 per hour range. WDI and Disneyland management won't know until they get the Subs out there loading and unloading with real people who have real issues like big thighs and bum knees and crying kids and bags of souvenirs, but Mr. Lutz has used the 1000-1200 per hour figure repeatedly as the estimate that WDI is currently using.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Al Lutz has repeatedly stated " I guess that settles it, then, if HE said it.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Prepare for massive disappointment like when Space Mountain reopened after being closed for two years.>> Space Mountain still packs 'em in. If that is the definition of massive disappointment, I need to buy a new dictionary.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Let's see, the OC Register said a sub would hold 40 and make a 12 minute trip, add a lading/unloading time of say 3 minutes, that means if they have all 8 subs runnning, you wil get about 320 persons in one 15 minute cycle. Thats is about 1,200 a hour maximum, more than likely a bit less due to problem and/or issues... So it sounds like the OC Register agrees with Al Lutz, does that make some folks feel better?
Originally Posted By gadzuux Not me. I've been sounding the gloom gong about the sub's abysmal capacity all along. 1200pph optimal, 1000pph more likely when averaged out over an operating day, means approximately 15k guests per day will get a ride on the new nemo subs. That's far below demand. And the 15k that do get to ride will have waited in a line that stretches for more than three hours. I expect a lot of disappointment for the guests, and a lot of headaches for the park. The ride itself may be way cool, but if all it does is generate more resentment than enjoyment, what's the point?
Originally Posted By berol It won't be _all_ it does. Plus, if that's the worst problem a park has, they're doing pretty well. I should hope most adults are adult enough to handle it well.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I expect a lot of disappointment for the guests, and a lot of headaches for the park.>> I expect the good will far outweigh any problems.
Originally Posted By TP2000 Okay, so Al Lutz, Darkbeer, the OC Register and now gadzuux have all come to the 1000-1200 per hour conclusion. So at least it goes beyond just one person, if that one person is distasteful for some folks to reference. Although if Al Lutz has a source in WDI that can leak him a stealth project like Pirates Lair Island that no one else knew about prior to Lutz's article, then I bet that source can also get him a reliable hourly ridership estimate for the big submarine project that everyone knows about. 1000-1200 per hour it is then! ;-)
Originally Posted By Sweeper I still remember how slow the loads were before. They are not going to perform a miracle when it comes to capacity. It is what it is. High demand will mean the lines stay long for a long time to come. It will be nice to have the subs back even if the wait is long.
Originally Posted By avromark ^^^ What would be interesting is when they actually have guests. During soft openings how long does it normally takes before the CM's "get in the rythmn" and get the capacity to about where it should/will be?
