Originally Posted By Elderp "He could lose, after all, and end up having to pay his lawyer however many hours worth of work." He could, but then he could win and have Disney with egg on their face. It all depends how the judge looks at it.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey My biggest fear is that, if this guy wins, every gun-toting idiot who believes he needs to arm himself as though preparing for the Battle of the Bulge will converge on Disney World. I just don't see how guns have a place in Disney World - to me they would do more harm than good. An idiot state congressman here in New Orleans introduced a bill that would allow people to carry firearms onto GRADE SCHOOL CAMPUSES. The public was so outraged that he withdrew the bill.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I just don't see how guns have a place in Disney World<< Apparently you've never seen a performance of "Tiki Room: Under New Management." ; )
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey ^^^^^And that's exactly why I'm trying to get legislation passed that allows people to bring rocket launchers and hand grenades into the park! HA!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 just a bulldozer for me please for the Poo Playground - but if you get that hand grenades thing thru - make a stop there for me
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey Of course vbdad - if we're taking out the trash, we might as well get all of it! BTW, is there any part of the 20,000 lagoon left, such as the Ariel's Grotto part? I haven't been in that section lately to take a look see - I was just wondering.
Originally Posted By Elderp "And that's exactly why I'm trying to get legislation passed that allows people to bring rocket launchers and hand grenades into the park! HA!" I'd vote for that bill. Provided you promised me the first shot would be for the New Management Tiki and the second takes out HISTA
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 I just don't understand why anybody would need to bring a gun to work in the first place. If it's locked in your trunk, what good will it do, unless, like somebody mentioned before, you go back and get it when you decide to go postal. Honestly though, what purpose does having a gun in your car serve? Are there really that many vigilantes out there who will try to attack you? Are the gators getting a bit smarter and need to be taught a lesson? Maybe a deer will cross your path and you can have a quick hunting session and bring home dinner? I just don't get the need...
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Are there really that many vigilantes out there who will try to attack you?<< Vigilante ninjas. Everywhere. They can strike at any moment.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey I know someone who was very pro-gun and felt that he should be allowed to walk around with a piece wherever he went. He mentioned to me that a webgroup he belonged to had devised ways to sneak firearms into WDW. I asked him what the chances were of a situation arising where he needed a gun at WDW and he told me that it only took one crazy person and you could never be too careful. In my experience, A lot of gun proponents that feel they should carry a gun wherever they wish are pretty paranoid - they think there's danger (or the potential for danger) lurking around every corner. It's a similar mindset to those in my area who live in the suburbs - they believe if you so much as step foot in the city you won't come home that night. I'm all for caution and not taking stupid chances, but there's a limit. Being that paranoid would make my life miserable. Not all are paranoid, though - some are just hankering for chance to shoot someone. I used to date someone like that - and he was a cop! Kinda scary, isn't it?
Originally Posted By Mr X ***In my experience, A lot of gun proponents that feel they should carry a gun wherever they wish are pretty paranoid - they think there's danger (or the potential for danger) lurking around every corner.*** Catch 22. They have a need to feel that way in order to justify their desire to carry a piece. Or else they have to admit that it just makes them feel macho (or femininely macho, as the case may be ), and they'd like to cap someone someday. It's very similar to all the ridiculous arguments against gay marriage. They need to say all that rhetoric to avoid saying "it's cause I really hate fags". Spade a spade, and all that. Good post, Nikki!
Originally Posted By Elderp It's very similar to all the ridiculous arguments against gay marriage. They need to say all that rhetoric to avoid saying "it's cause I really hate fags". I would think it is quite the opposite, the right to have a gun is the right to have whatever you want, when you want to. Hopefully, I wont derail this thread but it sounds to me what gay proponents want.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I just don't understand why anybody would need to bring a gun to work in the first place. If it's locked in your trunk, what good will it do >>> The point isn't to have it at work, but to have it coming and going from work, and wherever else you may stop along the way. Keep in mind that this issue is in the context of states that have "must issue" concealed carry permits (which is most states these days). In those states, a citizen may apply for a permit to carry a concealed weapon in public, and as long as they do not have a disqualification (such as felony or spousal abuse conviction, previous mental commitment, etc.), the state "must issue" the permit (hence the name) without the applicant having to prove a need. Some states require a training course of some sort. Regardless of what you may think about such a rule, it is the law of the land in most states these days. The concern is that if your employer prohibited firearms in the workplace, then it would be very difficult to exercise the rights granted by the conceal carry permit during your commute.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< An idiot state congressman here in New Orleans introduced a bill that would allow people to carry firearms onto GRADE SCHOOL CAMPUSES. >>> Same issue here as with the workplace. Consider the situation of a parent that drops their kid off at school, or walks with their kid to and from school. It's likely that the whole reason that a parent would walk a kid to school would be to ensure their safety, and if they live in a state where concealed carry permits are available, it might be reasonable to think that someone having such a permit would have gotten it primarily to protect their family. Now, for a parent walking their kid to school, it's easy enough to comply with a restriction, since they can just stop at the sidewalk if the campus itself is a "no gun zone." But what about the parent that drives their kid to school and the dropoff/pickup point is in the driveway of the school? And note that I'm not really discussing the need for private citizens to have firearms one way or the other, and in particular handguns. I'm simply explaining why in states that have "must issue" concealed carry permit systems that these issues come up.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 My husband is a licensed gun dealer, so I asked his opinion here. He says, whatever it said in the guys contract, is what the guy is legally allowed or not allowed to do. If he's a security guard and the company rule is no guns, the guy should be enforcing the rules, not breaking them. As far as leaving a gun locked in your vehicle, if you live in this state, Massachusetts, and someone steals your vehicle, and they do not have a gun permit, they will get mandatory one year in jail.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey <<I would think it is quite the opposite, the right to have a gun is the right to have whatever you want, when you want to.>> Yeah, but in this case, that right can kill people. A lot of this started, particularly the legislation regarding guns on school campuses in my state, after the Virginia Tech shooting. Some people believe that allowing guns on campuses will help prevent another VT tragedy; I believe it also make it easier for someone who wants to perpetrate another such incident. As far as gay marriage goes, I don't see how allowing homosexuals to marry will decimate or devalue marriage any more than most heterosexuals already have.
