Originally Posted By fkurucz I don't think that MSEP has the same level of tradition and nostalgia at WDW as it does at DL. That said, if the floats looked old and worn then that was plain bad show. The floats looked fine at DCA two years ago.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Nothing looked worn to me in June. And LOTS of people seem excited for it, as both showings have been packed.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >>>Public relations in corporate America has become such a vile cynical type business ... you lie all the time, even when it isn't needed ... even when the truth would be better for all.<<< <<I think calling it a lie is a little extreme, Spirit...It's promotion. It's how they generate buzz and hype. The problem is, we know about it too much. >> Nope. A lie is a lie. When you KNOW the MSEP is going to be playing at MK for the rest of 2010 and most of 2011 and you announce it as a two-month promotion, you are lying. Pure and simple. I KNEW that I was going to be able to see MSEP even if I wasn't there for the Summer Nightastic promo, but most folks believe what a company tells them (now whether this is smart in 21st century USA is a whole 'nother matter). The 'fact' that it was here for a 'limited run' also made many folks assume that SpectroMagic would be back in mid-August. Playing games with the truth is part and parcel of corporate communications these days. But let's not defend them. This isn't really new ... I recall talking with then EPCOT VP George Kalogridis about the infamous wand as it was being completed and him flat out saying it would be there for '10 year or more' ... at the same time, Disney marketed it as something just around for the Milennium Celebration ... all while getting the new sign created and the press releases ready saying it was all due to 'guest demand' ~Da Man Don't Need No Defending!~
Originally Posted By MousDad Per Al Lutz 8/3: DCA has "said goodbye" to MSEP. Apparently, WoC is so good they don't want MSEP any more. (At least that's how Al is spinning his original reporting of it being a seasonal absence.)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> I KNEW that I was going to be able to see MSEP even if I wasn't there for the Summer Nightastic promo, but most folks believe what a company tells them (now whether this is smart in 21st century USA is a whole 'nother matter). The 'fact' that it was here for a 'limited run' also made many folks assume that SpectroMagic would be back in mid-August.<<< And half these people went online and had us telling them that MSEP would most likely stay. Sure, I get your point that it's bending the truth, but that's part of it. It's not the end of the world. Not defending the man, or their practices, but I think that this type of promotion (Playing on scarcity and "value") works well for them. If it does, they might as well use it.
Originally Posted By danyoung And I think it makes much more sense the way Al is reporting it - WoC is a much bigger hit than they expected, and DCA doesn't need to get the DEP back after all. Why does there need to be a big conspracy? Occam's Razor - the more likely theory tends to be the correct one.
Originally Posted By Hista98 and they didn't know WoC was a hit a few weeks ago when Al reported the parade was coming back to DCA?? That doesn't make sense.
Originally Posted By Hista98 dan young that makes no sense. They knew WoC would be a hit from the start, they woudn't have gone to all the things they've done if it didn't. This is Al's way of covering his Ass for the article made earlier.
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Originally Posted By MPierce Back by popular demand Higher ticket prices, Higher room, rates, and Higher food prices. Al because YOU the GUEST demand it. And we aim to please all of our GUEST! HAVE A MAGICAL DAY!
Originally Posted By FerretAfros When Al first announced that DCA would get it back for Christmas, I was a little confused. Why would they ship it out to WDW for the summer, bring it back for the very short winter run at DCA, just to send it back to WDW for another summer. Keeping it in WDW the entire time just makes more sense from a logistics standpoint. It's just not all that easy to ship a parade across the country. And the winter run at DCA is so short that it doesn't even make sense to me when they have the parade just sitting in storage. It is really worth training all those performers for a 2-and-a-half week run? It's always shockingly short when they do announce the schedule for the parade, so it just makes a lot more sense to forget about those two-dozen performances. It gets dark early enough in southern California that they can have a ton of WOC shows each night (it's plenty dark by 5 or 5:30), which would more than make up for it.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>When Al first announced that DCA would get it back for Christmas, I was a little confused.<<< I think Al is a little confused. We have a TWO YEAR contract with MSEP.
Originally Posted By Hista98 Someone is confused, if this was planned all along and Al's "sources" are so good and high up in TDA wouldn't they have told him that it was just staying in DCA? These two stories don't seem to mesh at all. I think Al is just writiing this new thing to cover up the fact that his source was mistaken.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<And half these people went online and had us telling them that MSEP would most likely stay.>> Not likely. While many folks read what we write here, it's not that large a group. We can be significant, but not most of the time and not on something like this. <<Sure, I get your point that it's bending the truth, but that's part of it. It's not the end of the world. >> When you start defending lying it is a slippery slope. As someone who wants to go into law, you should understand that. Of course it isn't the end of the world. Just like stealing a pack of gum isn't as bad as robbing a bank (although some might argue the latter has it coming after what they've done to this country! ... that's facetious, of course, just having fun with some friends at NSA!) <<Not defending the man, or their practices, but I think that this type of promotion (Playing on scarcity and "value") works well for them. If it does, they might as well use it. >> Yes. Lying and using guests as an excuse has and does work well for TWDC. ~Wasting my tax $$$s is magical!~
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Al was wrong on the whole MSEP deal. From the start. It happens. He misses things often (for instance not having DL's price increases in today's column) ... or the fact Tony Baxter has nothing of substance on his plate right now, which likely means he is gone very soon in favor of most-hated Imagineer by fanbois (11 years running) Tom Fitzgerald. Al has a great batting average, but he still strikes out from time to time. ~Wonder if he'll be at the party!~
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer I think he should just stick to DL...his WDW info seems to be off, usually.
Originally Posted By macnak81 I'm so glad, I've always been on the wrong coast when ever the MSEP was running. Now I finally going to have a chance to see it. BUT I'm visiting Orlando for a conference in September but no cash or much time for the parks. I really hate to pay full price for an evening. Anyone have any comps available?
