Originally Posted By redlegtwo They must have offered Jeff a whole lotta money! Would love to see Lydia win. It would be a great story since she hasn't won a single challenge and has been in danger of being voted off several times.
Originally Posted By Indigo I agree with Rafe that the best 'game-theory' move for Cindy would have been to give away the cars. She would have made four friends who, if any one of them one the $1million, would be happy to buy her a good zoo-keeper car and maybe take her to the final two. If someone else had won, then it wouldn't matter.
Originally Posted By debtee We had our work Christmas party on Fri night and I forgot all about Survivor so did not tape it. From what I've read so far looks like Cindy won a challenge that involved a car and Steph won Immunity?? Is this correct? Then Cindy was voted out? Any brief run down would be appreciated. Thanks
Originally Posted By Rsey103 I'm so glad I looked in on this thread tonight! I was thinking the finale wasn't until Thursday----but it's tomorrow night! Good luck, Rafe.
Originally Posted By cstephens debtee wrote: > Any brief run down would be appreciated. Here's the summary from the official CBS/Survivor site: <a href="http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor11/show/ep13/index.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.cbs.com/primetime/s urvivor11/show/ep13/index.shtml</a>. /cs
Originally Posted By Indigo Final Two Pairing Options: The jury is going to be heavy on the male side. If those five vote as a block then they pretty much decide who gets the million. So let's think how they would vote in the final pairings. Steph & Danni: I'm fairly sure they all feel that Steph was the main force behind them getting voted out. And most of them now hold a grudge against her. Danni didn't make many enemies. Danni wins. Rafe & Steph: I'm fairly sure they all feel that Steph was the main force behind them getting voted out. And most of them now hold a grudge against her. Rafe wins. Rafe & Lydia: Historically participants who are seen as using 'keeping their heads down' as a game strategy don't win the final prize. Rafe wins. Rafe & Danni: Danni has certainly made fewer enemies than Rafe. But Rafe was definitly a stronger competitor. I think Danni has the edge here. Steph & Lydia: Steph has developed some enemies along the way. But historically participants who are seen as using 'keeping their heads down' as a game strategy don't win the final prize. Edge to Steph. Danni & Lydia: Historically participants who are seen as using 'keeping their heads down' as a game strategy don't win the final prize. Danni Wins. My personal pick is Rafe, but I don't see him winning if he takes Danni all the way to the F2, which he has promised to do. The question is, did Danni realize this when she promised to take him to the F2. Rafe's best bet is to get Steph and Lydia to vote out Danni while earning immunity for himself this week. Best person to take to the F2, Lydia. Of course all bets are off for Rafe if the men decide to be jerks and just not vote for him no matter what. I've been thinking about this too much haven't I?
Originally Posted By debtee Thanks cstephens, I had not visited that site before it's great how I could catch up!
Originally Posted By Labuda "My personal pick is Rafe, but I don't see him winning if he takes Danni all the way to the F2, which he has promised to do." DID he promise to take her? I know SHE promised to take him, but don't think I recall seeing him reciprocate... Oh,l and for the record, SO glad Cindy got voted off. I hated her.
Originally Posted By debtee I don't know that I hated Cindy but I did feel she contributed nothing to the tribe, so not sad to see her go!
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Don't worry this isn't giving anything away, but Danni with some makeup on and some weight put on= hot!!!!
Originally Posted By Shooba That was probably one of, if not THE worst strategic blunders in the history of Survivor. All Rafe & Steph had to do to win was take Lydia to the final three. And it's amazing that Rafe can struggle through 38 days, playing the game hard and well, and then develop "ethics" at the last second - "I release you from your promise". Steph deserved to lose in the end because of he poor end-game strategy. It still amazes me that juries on these shows seem to vote solely on ethics - as if you can win Survivor without a little bit of lying and backstabbing. At least Rafe & Steph recogizned this, as they knew their only chance to win was to go to the end with each other.
Originally Posted By itsme I dont think that it was a bad decision as much as it was a look into really how smart/dumb they were. A good example would be when there were 3 left and Danni was guaranteed final 2, Stephame said "I think i have a 50-50 chance to make the final 2" I think they all idolized Steph and voted with her most of the time cause she was good at the game{at least they were told that}, It was not until they were voted off until they all seemed to realise they she used them to get where she wanted. Everyone tried and or wanted to have an alliance with her. I would give Rafe a big advantage over her in playing the game, He won things she didnt, And the others seemed to respect him so much more. Everyone lies but I think they look for the lesser better more honest lier.
Originally Posted By cstephens Shooba wrote: > That was probably one of, if not THE worst strategic blunders in the history of Survivor. All Rafe & Steph had to do to win was take Lydia to the final three. I think if you're talking pure strategy, then it would be Colby picking Tina over someone else he would have likely beat. But it's not just about straight strategy. Chances are, Lydia would not have won the final immunity, but there is always that possibility. I personally don't think she did enough to deserve being in final three. Sometimes, that factors into it too. itsme wrote: > A good example would be when there were 3 left and Danni was guaranteed final 2, Stephame said "I think i have a 50-50 chance to make the final 2" Yeah, I commented to my husband about that remark too. DUH! My first choice would have been Rafe, but Danni was my second choice, so I was glad. I think she did a great job of saving herself - that immunity challenge "switch players" thing she bought was great, and she used it perfectly. Otherwise, she was out of there. And she played the others well. I was just mad that she didn't take Rafe with her. I've been so done with Stephenie. I liked her the first time around, but she's just been getting on my nerves. And really, what *IS* with the whole "starving" thing she keeps going on about? We've seen how much she's had to eat because she went on so many rewards. And I was also annoyed when she cried after losing the last immunity challenge. Yeah, she tried her hardest and she didn't win. And how upset was Rafe that he lost his concentration for a second and ended up using his hands without realizing it? But you don't see him needing all that sympathy. Stephenie just because too full of herself for my taste. Yeah, she outwitted and outlasted a lot of other people - but then, this is also her second go-around, so she's got a lot more experience. And I think Gary was right - a lot of people were starstruck by her. Someone on another board said the final voting was 6-1. I was wondering what the split was, and I remembered that they didn't always say. That means Rafe was the only one who voted for Steph. Anyone else hear that as well? I loved Jeff asking Jamie whether he was really crazy out there! /cs
Originally Posted By Chelledun I assumed it was 6-1, because otherwise Jeff would have showed two "Steph" votes to stretch out the suspense a little longer. I'm thrilled Danni won! I think she played a smart game, won immunities when she needed to, and lied as little as possible. She seems like a cool chick. The cast this season in general was much more likable than the norm for me, actually.
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle >>Stephame said "I think i have a 50-50 chance to make the final 2"<< I giggled at that at the time too, although I think what she meant was that Danni was evenly split between the two of them, not leaning heavily towards one or the other. I was crushed that Rafe didn't win. I mean, I guess I'm overreacting but it's rare that I like someone in the final 4 so much. I liked Danni, but was extremely disappointed that she could let someone carry her to the final 3 (okay, she played a good game, but Rafe saved her life out there several times) and then turn around and vote him out. It just didn't seem right to me. Why did Stephenie get all the blame from the jury? As she said, she wasn't the only one making the decisions. The biggest strategic problem, to me, was having a 6-member alliance. It's just too many - you have to start breaking promises far too early in the game and half of your jury consists of bitter ex-alliance members. A 4-member alliance is a much better idea. I'm sure it was a 6-1 vote, too - otherwise Jeff would have shown all of Steph's votes. I'm a bit surprised Cindy and Lydia gave their votes to Danni.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 I know it's not a big deal to most of you but I'm still reeling over them eating the chicken. Man, that was so so disrespectful. I was so sick of Stephanie saying she was starving and then when they ate the chicken I just couldn't believe it. What was worse was the laughing and giggling. Kind of just ruined the rest of the show for me.
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle >>I know it's not a big deal to most of you but I'm still reeling over them eating the chicken<< Actually, I didn't approve of that one either, it seemed really disrespectful to me and I was glad Rafe stuck to his guns and didn't eat it.
Originally Posted By cstephens You could see the jury reacting when Rafe responded to Jeff by saying he didn't eat the chicken. I think that would have been points in his favor had he been in the final two. Danni made the decision to pick the person who she thought she could win against rather than the person she thought maybe deserved more to be in the final two. It seems to oftentimes come down to those two choices. /cs
