Originally Posted By barboy ///It's a nightmare trying to navigate Disneyland on a crowded day, especially when they have to create one-way passages. When the entrance to Adventureland is blocked, I usually just call it a day and leave. Much better than squeezing through a wall of people ./// And that is why I have three standing rules for when I go(or don't go)..... 1) Fri, Sat, and Sun are off limits 2) Never show up on a holiday 3) Stay away from summer times(Memorial Day weekend through Labor Day weekend is a good rule of thumb)
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Again I have a hard time believing that TDL only gets 13.9 million a year while both Disneyland and the Magic Kingdom parks get more each year.>> Count me as very skeptical that the MK gets more visitors than either TDL or DL annually. I just never see the uber-crowds you seem to see regularly at TDL and DL. Now, I don't visit Christmas week anymore. But I do visit during Spring Break, July 4th, Presidents weekend, October etc ... and I never see the crowds I experience at DL (or hear about at TDL). Numbers can be played with. It's the foundation of American business, after all.
Originally Posted By SuperDry Keep in mind that the "crowdedness" of a park is going to be affected by a combination of the number of visitors to the park that day AND the average number of hours they're in the park. Consider that WDW has a lot of park-hopping going on, and that many if not most guests have park-hopping privileges. At TDR, I think it's fair to say that few guests have park-hopping privileges based on the way tickets are sold (that is, you can park hop only on a 3-consecutive-day and 4-consecutive-day tickets, and then only on the 3rd and 4th days, or you can buy a $750/year AP). As a result, I think the average length of time spent in the park on any particular day is probably far greater at TDL than it is at MK. As a result, it's quite possible for MK to have a higher attendance in terms of turnstile clicks while at the same time TDL has a greater average number of guests inside the park at any particular time.
Originally Posted By X-san That's an excellent point, and probably explains why the numbers look the way they do...
Originally Posted By Malin <<< Consider that WDW has a lot of park-hopping going on, and that many if not most guests have park-hopping privileges. >>> Reason why I am questioning the accuracy of this report. SuperDry what you have pointed out are the most logical reasons for how this group measures park attendance. But whats it actually being measured by, I also find it comical that it states 12 million visited DLP last year but only 2.5 visited the Studios. As most guest who visit either come as an Annual Passholder or book a package the chances are your likely to visit the Studios atleast once during your trip, so I would take great interest in knowing where there get the figures from. And until I know I find it hard to take this report seriously because we really don't know where the facts are coming from and what there based on. If SuperDry's assesment is correct it appears neither WDW or TDR are being viewed in the same way, so how can we take this report and view it seriously if each park is being measured on the amount of park hopper tickets being used.
Originally Posted By Malin <<< Numbers can be played with. It's the foundation of American business, after all. >>> It would not suprise me if Disney and the OLC are issuing unofficial numbers in a way to spin the report in there favour. OLC hides the real TDS attendance while the Magic Kingdom remains the flagship park.
Originally Posted By leemac <<But whats it actually being measured by, I also find it comical that it states 12 million visited DLP last year but only 2.5 visited the Studios.>> It is the first click principle - as DL often opens before the Studios many people on package hoppers will always visit DL first and hence register as visiting that park first. The Studios is always going to be a loser on that measure.
Originally Posted By Malin <<< One mid week day in Feb. Dis. Sea looked empty but yet evey single big attraction had at least an hr. and 20 min. wait(excluding Sindbad of course).---HighTower was 2 hr. and FP's sold out >>> I think the Fast Pass System plays a big part in the debate here. The Japanese love FP and everyone uses it when visiting TDR, some even have a system worked out in place. I get the impression TDR issue out more FP's in a day than what DL or DLP would do and that why wait times appear worst than what there actually are. DLRP for instance only use FP on a select few attractions and even than the window is only 30 minute long.
Originally Posted By Malin <<< It is the first click principle - as DL often opens before the Studios many people on package hoppers will always visit DL first and hence register as visiting that park first. The Studios is always going to be a loser on that measure. >>> In the case of DLRP it doesn't help that extra magic hours are often available at DLP in the mornings through out this year. I guess measuring it on the first click principle does hide how many people really do visit the Studios each year, and is another reason I tend not to agree with this report. I think if it explained its methods and how some parks are monitored differnt due to tickets it may gain a bit more credibilty. But I think if you picked it apart its very easy to find faults.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< OLC is a public company and releases attendance figures as a guide to shareholders on performance. It would be both a criminal and civil offense for OLC to deliberately misrepresent their financials or any ancillary information. >>> <<< To defend the other posters I don't think anyone is acusing OLC of working the numbers but posting a combined attendance does look like your hiding something you wouldn't want your shareholders to know. >>> This is done all the time, and is permissible. Shareholders and the public are entitled to details only down to a certain level, lest a company be forced to divulge information that would be considered a trade secret and/or unduly help the competition. If you read the Disney quarterly statements and annual report and look at the details mentioned for the Parks & Resorts division, you'll see this very clearly in action. They report detailed revenue and earnings figures for the division, but don't break it down by park or even resort. But, they will cherry-pick certain details that highlight the message they want to portray. For example, they might say "Revenues are up X% at Resort A. Over at Resort B, attendance is up Y%." They might fail to mention that Resort B is significantly underperforming as compared to revenue projections and that attendance is up only because of a 2fer offer or some other ticket giveaway. Misleading? That's a matter of opinion. Perhaps they're just emphasizing the positive. But however you interpret it, they're not providing any false information while at the same time not being particularly enlightening.
Originally Posted By barboy The first click rule creates incredibility; why on earth use something so extremely misleading?
Originally Posted By The Goddess Mara Last time I was there in February they were still serving Mickey Hamburgers at the restaurant in Tommorowland.
