Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<And the last time I went you could pretty much walk onto ToT or RnRC>> Valid point! What is going on with ToT and RnRC? Everytime I go they seem to be walk-ons? Is their popularity diminishing?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^I've never seen RNRC as a walk on. Never. It's always a 45-75 minute line. As for Tower, I can never remember waiting in a long line for it. The thing is a beast capacity wise. It's still an extremely popular attraction.
Originally Posted By ChiMike Not as many people using FP, since they Midway Mania has become a must. It has caught on now.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>As for Tower, I can never remember waiting in a long line for it.<< I use to wait 45 mins for it regularly. This was before RNRC and Midway Mania, and it was with a very weak drop profile in relation to today's robust selection.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^Yea, but it makes sense that the other two rides would decrease its line. I don't think its popularity has dwindled, just that there is more for the people to do... See how that works? Haha
Originally Posted By ChiMike Sure. I'm sure even the new Star Tours has helped carry a little bit more of the burden.
Originally Posted By leobloom RNRC is almost always a 60 min wait when I'm there. And since it's a ride I wouldn't wait 30 min for, I almost never ride it. The wait time for Tower does seem to have gotten shorter over the past decade. I've seen the neglible "13" minute wait time on the sign over the last 7-8 years, which I don't really remember seeing before then.
Originally Posted By danyoung >What tom is saying is that if he gets in a standby line now at 3:15p at Midway Mania and the parade/show ends at 3:25p, what was a 30 minute wait when Tom entered the queue at 3:15p can be a 90 minute wait by 3:45p when the crowds letting out decend in the FP return line with their FPs in hand because their guide book with insider secrets tell them to.< Nicely worded, Mike, and I agree that this is a problem. >FastPass doesn't do what it was intended to do (decrease ride/ attraction wait times. It artificially creates excessive standby wait times.< And again I'll agree with you, Tom, that the standby lines MAY be longer. In my experience, a ride that used to have a 60 minute queue all day still has a 60 minute standby queue. But for the sake of argument I'll stipulate that standby lines may be longer. It's for sure that they move slower, which can make them seem even longer. But I'll continue to state that FP works for me. I use it sparingly, and I return during the assigned hour. It keeps me out of the 60 to 90 minute lines, and thus enhances my park storming day greatly. And I'll never buy the argument that it's in any way unfair. It's available to all, and it isn't hard to learn for the newbies. Sure, people might be confused by it at first, but then there are people who can't find Fantasyland without a map. The system favors me, a park storming veteran. But as a veteran I have all kinds of advantages, and I'm not going to apologize for my knowledge - it was hard won over the years. Just because I use FP to my advantage while a first timer gets confused by it doesn't mean that they system is flawed. Some of the arguments made in this thread have merit. But it seems to me that there are solutions to them all that beat throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Before Fast Pass came along, guests didn't have to worry about planning around such nonsense. You could take your time to eat meals or meet up with a friend whenever they arrived without having to stress over what time you had to get a fast pass, use it or whatever. With Fast Pass it creates more headaches than it solves. But if this NextGen situation is implemented, things will be even worse. Gone are the days when you could simply show up at the parks without the added burden or worrying over scheduling your entire day around Fast pass or whatever else they're about to come up with.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip ^^^ I still do that. I use maybe 60% of the Fastpasses I get. If it works out and is convenient to use I do so... if it doesn't I don't stress about it.
Originally Posted By danyoung Before FP came along, I had to be in a park right at opening and then choose which headliner I wanted to ride. Because within 30 to 60 minutes all the headliners had 60 to 90 minute queues, and I don't wait an hour for any ride. Now if a queue is long I can just get a FP and come back later. Since FP came along, I haven't once waited in a 60 minute queue. I've heard the problems, and some of them are legitimate. But overall FP works incredibly well for me.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: What some of you fail to realize is that while you are benefiting from a Fast pass, it means someone else who didn't get one is NOT benefiting because after a point the fast passes are all taken up by a few, leaving your fellow guests at a disadvantage. Before Fast pass came along, there was not so much competition between guests. The only competition back then was to see who could get in line first. In this current mind set of 'it's all about me', there is no caring about how Fast pass puts others at a disadvantage. It was so much nicer when the playing field was more level instead of how it is now.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Before FP came along, I had to be in a park right at opening and then choose which headliner I wanted to ride. Because within 30 to 60 minutes all the headliners had 60 to 90 minute queues, >> Honestly? I'm calling BS here. I remember the time before fastpass, and I always got every big ride done without waiting in terribly long lines.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: My sisters and I agree with you, too, HokieSkipper. Some people's memory of what it was like before Fast pass could be very selective in order to make a false point.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<What some of you fail to realize is that while you are benefiting from a Fast pass, it means someone else who didn't get one is NOT benefiting because after a point the fast passes are all taken up by a few, leaving your fellow guests at a disadvantage.>> Those are the breaks.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: THe point IS they wouldn't HAVE to be 'the breaks' and they SHOULDN'T be the breaks.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Everyone has an equal chance of getting a Fastpass. It is unfair to NO ONE. Was there anything unfair about having to show up at rope-drop to get on Space Mountain with a short wait? No? Then how can it POSSIBLY be unfair to have to show up by noon or so to get a Fastpass for a short wait at Space Mountain? You get at least an extra three-four hours to haul your butt of of bed!
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: I'm sorry, Road Trip, dear, but that logic make no sense. There is no way that everyone has an equal chance of getting a fast pass. You believe it because you want to believe it. But it's simply not the case. Go back and read what sjhym333 had to say about this if you want a more sound reasoning about the entire matter.
