Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<As far as WDW vs DL POTC queues, it seems to me that which one is considered "better" and "better sets up the story" seems to be largely dependent on which one each person grew up with as a kid.>> Not necessarily. I grew up with MK all the way. It was always a favorite of mine (maybe in my top five of all WDW attractions) ... but that was until 1990 when I first visited Anaheim. I've never viewed MK's PoC the same since. And after riding in Paris and Tokyo, WDW's version ranks dead last and by a great margin. <<I think that although the queue in WDW is much better, the initial bayou scene at DL/TDL far outweighs WDW's queue, and it's very much in the same part of the attraction: prior to the drop and before you enter the world of the pirates - setting up the story.>> Exactly. I'd even say the setup begins both in Anaheim and Tokyo in the New Orleans setting before you even enter the show building to some degree. I'm not a big fan of 'the queue is part of the attraction' line you hear many fanbois puke forth. While I enjoy a great queue (like Indy for instance in both Anaheim and Tokyo), it isn't needed for an amazing ride experience. By contrast, you can have a highly detailed queue like DAK's KRR, but an attraction that totally sucks.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >> WDW Restrooms win all. Leo will be so pleased. << <<Have just now had a chance to see this thread, and I see that WDW had the best restrooms of all. What can I say? All is right with the World.>> WDW overall does have the best restroom facilities of all Disney resorts, although water pressure (or lack thereof) is a drawback. <<(Although...the Lights, Motors, Action restrooms could've used some detailed tiles. Or how about piping in the smell of burnt rubber into the toilet stalls. Kinda like the confectionery smells piped along Main Street?)>> Are you trying to highjack my thread, you toilet-trumpeting troublemaker?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>Have just now had a chance to see this thread, and I see that WDW had the best restrooms of all.<<< My vote would go to Disneyland Paris on this one, for the Discoveryland themed ones in the Videopolis theatre - dark wood art neuveau mirrors, marble pillers and dyson airblades.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Have any of the ladies around here noticed anything special about the ladies' rooms ?? I haven't. Just wondering.
Originally Posted By Christi22222 ^^That's because we're always taking kids and are just trying to pee and get out before one gets away! lol! (sorry, hijacking, my bad.... )
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Lol christi. I love the toddler bathrooms at DLP, they have tiny little potties, they are soooo cute.
Originally Posted By dennis-in-ct <<<<< By contrast, you can have a highly detailed queue like DAK's KRR, but an attraction that totally sucks. .>>>> Agreed. Every time I visit Animal Kingdom, I walk through the queue but only rode it twice. As for Pirates, I have been on FL, CA and The Paris version. For me, Paris wins. Then CA and then MK.
Originally Posted By Christi22222 Okay, I've finally had time to read the first 70 or so posts of this thread without just skimming. I am very intrigued and am still processing. I had already followed some of it over on the Tokyo threads. I consider myself a big Disney lover, but I am not well schooled in the imagineering details. I just assume that the extra quality and experience I perceieve at Disney Parks is due to the details even if I don't notice them specifically. That's sort of the point. They are supposed to be masters at this stuff, and I'm supposed to be so immersed that I don't realize it all but just enjoy it. So when I hear that the transitions in Tokyo are awful, I wonder if I will notice. Or will I simply think it isn't as good and not know why? As for the quality and upkeep of the attractions, I am both green with envy and sick over corp greed in America. Why oh why don't folks believe that quality is worth something? Okay, more people, because some obviously do. I don't want 50 crappy things or experiences! I want a couple of great ones! But soap boxing aside, bringing it to the WDW level, why would you truly be okay with putting out a half axx product? How could you sit there and say, let's spend half as much on maintenance, do half as much upkeep, and see if we can pull in the same bucks? Who feels good about that? Who can feel the pride of working for the world famous Disney Company while doing that slime ball crap? Call it business all you want. I don't buy it. There might be hard choices, like putting in less new stuff, or closing parks on a couple of days in off season, but it is not a legitimate and viable business plan to sell a deteriorating product for too much on an aging reputation. It catches up to you. And you should feel like a schmuck. Are the folks in charge just so distanced from their product that they don't see what they are really doing? So back to the original post...(if anyone is still reading, lol)...why do you think that the OLC gets so much right and falls down on the bathrooms? Doesn't that seem odd? Kind of a basic thing. And not that hard. Is it cultural? Or did they not anticipate this level of visitors when the infrastructure was put in? If so, is it terribly hard to fix? I mean, you'd think putting in more hand dryers wouldn't be tough. Curious thing to me.
Originally Posted By Christi22222 BTW, Spirit, truly a great thread. I am sure some folks choose not to read anything from certified doom and gloomers, but I think that your comments so far have been extremely reasonable and free of hyperbole. You have given WDW its credit where due, and that's all we can ask. Of course, I'm guessing the next installment won't be so WDW friendly judging from previews! Glad you enjoyed the conclusion of your world wide Disney tour. Thanks for taking the time to share it with us.
Originally Posted By Christi22222 >>I'd even say the setup begins both in Anaheim and Tokyo in the New Orleans setting before you even enter the show building to some degree.<< Totally!! The one in WDW is so stand alone, and I just don't like that as much.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>So when I hear that the transitions in Tokyo are awful, I wonder if I will notice. Or will I simply think it isn't as good and not know why? <<< I wonder this, as well. I dislike DHS for these same reasons. But it does sound quite abrupt. >>>>As for the quality and upkeep of the attractions, I am both green with envy and sick over corp greed in America. Why oh why don't folks believe that quality is worth something? Okay, more people, because some obviously do. I don't want 50 crappy things or experiences! I want a couple of great ones! But soap boxing aside, bringing it to the WDW level, why would you truly be okay with putting out a half axx product? How could you sit there and say, let's spend half as much on maintenance, do half as much upkeep, and see if we can pull in the same bucks? Who feels good about that? Who can feel the pride of working for the world famous Disney Company while doing that slime ball crap? Call it business all you want. I don't buy it. There might be hard choices, like putting in less new stuff, or closing parks on a couple of days in off season, but it is not a legitimate and viable business plan to sell a deteriorating product for too much on an aging reputation. It catches up to you. And you should feel like a schmuck. Are the folks in charge just so distanced from their product that they don't see what they are really doing?<<<< Bravo! Well said.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>>I'd even say the setup begins both in Anaheim and Tokyo in the New Orleans setting before you even enter the show building to some degree.<< Totally!! The one in WDW is so stand alone, and I just don't like that as much.<<<< We talked about this last night, and I don't understand it. What about Caribbean Plaza? The atmosphere of AdvL? We have SEVERAL lead ups... ... to a shorter ride. LOL.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Christie, do you honestly think management would allow maintenance to stand in the way of new Escalades? Even I've lost that naiveness.
Originally Posted By Mr X ＊＊＊>>>So when I hear that the transitions in Tokyo are awful, I wonder if I will notice. Or will I simply think it isn't as good and not know why? <<< I wonder this, as well. I dislike DHS for these same reasons＊＊＊ Compared to Tokyo Disneyland, the transitions and overall quality of theme at DHS might as well be on the level of DisneySea. As far as not noticing and just sort of thinking "this is kind of wrong", way back when in my first couple of days visiting the park that's how I felt. I wasn't quite sure *what* was bothering me, so I just chalked it up to the wide avenues (which never bothered me at Epcot though) or the crowds (which never bothered me elsewhere either). Then it hit me one day when I was standing in front of Critter Country staring at Dumbo in one direction and the Riverboat when I realized I didn't know what the hell land I was supposed to be in! So I looked down at the pavement and confirmed that I was indeed in Westernland, but only a few feet away from Fantasyland. It is THAT BAD, but I still love TDL for all the intangibles plus some incredibly pimped out rides like Pooh and Monsters.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^ Yeah, I am sure the overall quality of the park negates the layout. But Fronteirland...from... Fantasyland?!? GAG!
Originally Posted By Mr X If you know where to look, you can also see Ispiari from that very spot, but I'm sure Spirit noticed that with his keen eye.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***But Fronteirland...from... Fantasyland?!? GAG!*** One of the two major "ugh" moments...the other one is what Spirit pointed out, Starjets at the entrance of Toontown (and right across from Fantasyland as well).
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>One of the two major "ugh" moments...the other one is what Spirit pointed out, Starjets at the entrance of Toontown (and right across from Fantasyland as well).<<< With the Haunted Mansion... sigh. It's funny that the best kept Magic Kingdom is the worst in it's design.
