Originally Posted By ecdc >>2ooney I never said anyone was a sympathizer with them.<< DAR, like mele said, you can be a cool, funny guy. But you can also be a total douchebag and a jerk. On this thread, you can go to hell. We're all Americans here, but you choose to demonize those of us who don't subscribe to our screwed up view of the world. You really need to grow up. Seriously; on this issue; you have the emotional intelligence of my six year old. Get me admin'd all you want. You're terribly offensive and I'm pissed. Not that you care. You're outraged and you're justified, so who gives a damn about anyone's feelings. DAR to a T.
Originally Posted By DAR Let's see bombing innocent civilians denying them the basic human right of living just to promote a warped ideal of an otherwise good religion. While trying to exterminate another religion. And wanting to kill anyone else who gets in their way. Not to mention their deplorable treatment of women. Or Those who were caught or planned out such attack and giving them an owie. Yeah I can see how the latter is much worse.
Originally Posted By DAR <<You're terribly offensive and I'm pissed>> Yeah well I find terrorism offensive and it pisses me off. I find it offensive that some people in this country think we're the bad guys in this fight. I find it offensive that some in this country feel we should treat terrorists better than our own citizens. I find it offensive that one leader in world wants to finish the job the Nazi's started some 70 years ago. That's what I find offensive.
Originally Posted By ecdc Keep making stuff up, DAR. You're good at it. Keep saying stuff no one said, and keep ignoring it when we all point that out. You're a better person than this. At least I thought you were. You're offensive and you don't even care.
Originally Posted By ecdc Oh right. There's that thread from last week where I said terrorists are better than Americans. And there's that thread from a few days ago when 2oony said he was glad 9/11 happened and got his father laid off and led to an early death. Oh, and I do remember that thread where Dabob2 said he wants to sue the Obama administration to guarantee that all terrorists have hyperallergenic pillows. And don't even get me started on mele - remember when she said she invited Osama bin Laden to Disneyland with her? Yup, that's us. We're so busted. We should go to the DAR School of Blinding Outrage.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>And if any of you don't like that viewpoint then suck on it.<< Yup. Keep digging in your heels, DAR. You're right and you don't care who knows it. Forget that you've made terrible accusations about decent people that have treated you well on these boards. Who cares, right?
Originally Posted By DAR Explain why we should treat these people decently when they did nothing of the sort to deserve it. And don't give me that it makes us who we are. No matter what we do we will always be better than these people.
Originally Posted By ecdc You know what? I'm out. I'm done. My apologies to everyone. Why I would think it would be logical to argue with such galactic stupidity is beyond me. I know how I feel about my country, terrorists who want to kill me and my family, our soldiers, and our freedoms. If some fool wants to invent his own reality out of whole cloth where people who don't agree with him are the enemy, more power to him. There's a wing of the Republican party that will welcome him with open arms. Here's hoping saner heads prevail, for the good of our country.
Originally Posted By DAR << You're right and you don't care who knows it. Forget that you've made terrible accusations about decent people that have treated you well on these boards. Who cares, right?>> No you guys are trying to sway me from my opinion. This is what I think on this issue. I'm not backing down. You have your opinions on how things should be handled with this and I have mine. And maybe I did go too far with that accusation and that was wrong. So I want to personally apologize for making that ugly accusation to those of you but I won't apologize for my stance. But there's other topics all I agree with you guys on. Gay marriage? I march lockstep with you guys on that one.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << No matter what we do we will always be better than these people. >> Who are these people?
Originally Posted By mawnck Condemning people without a trial just because you've personally decided that they're bad? That's not better than these people. That's exactly the same as the guys with the bombs strapped to their jackets. Exactly.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***You guys have been far more forgiving of them than I have.*** Dude, I'm sorry but you're an idiot. NOONE has "forgiven" any terrorists here. NOONE. We ALL hate terrorists, DAR. You're not as special as you think you are.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Dabob how about every discussion on Guantanamo you guys freaked out.> Insisting that we adhere to minimum standards of due process, as we did in the Nuremburg trials, does not constitute "freaking out." Guess what, DAR. We convicted plenty of scumbags in those trials AND upheld our system of justice. The two are not mutually exclusive, and did not constitute treating Nazis with kid gloves or singing them to sleep at night. You seem stubbornly unable to comprehend this, frankly. Or you get it for a thread or two and then are back to your more simpleminded stance a few hours later. <And don't give me that it makes us who we are. No matter what we do we will always be better than these people.> That's exactly what I'm going to "give you." Again, I give you Nuremburg. We were better than the Nazis, yet we tried them, gave them lawyers, let them defend themselves, AND still managed to convict them and send them away. I suppose now I'm a "Nazi sympathizer." <So I want to personally apologize for making that ugly accusation to those of you but I won't apologize for my stance.> The first part is appreciated; the second part is head-scratching. No one is taking you to task for hating terrorists; only for a). advocating subverting our own constitution in Guantanamo, and b). asserting that those who object to that have any sympathy for terrorists (as opposed to non-terrorists caught up in the arrests, some of whom WE have admitted were just that). We don't have any such sympathies.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Since when have foreign nationals been bound by our Constitution? The right to due process is for American citizens only, our enemies don't play by the rules, if we play by the rules, we will lose every time....
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Since when have foreign nationals been bound by our Constitution?*** Bound by? Never. Under the protection of? Since July 4, 1776 or thereabouts. Note the constitution reads "all people", NOT "all citizens". ***The right to due process is for American citizens only*** Read it again. And while you're at it, read all the international treaties we are a party to. ***our enemies don't play by the rules, if we play by the rules, we will lose every time*** Uh huh. Because the Nazis were such civilized, "rule of law" kind of folks (I suppose using YOUR logic, we had to sink the the inhumane level of the Germans in order to defeat them, Hmm?). Propaganda leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to...suffering. I sense much propaganda in you.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Gay marriage? I march lockstep with you guys on that one." Stay home. Don't need you. Don't want you. You have a complete inability to see yourself as others see you. You dive in on an issue, stick your size 22 feet in your mouth, and then because you never think things through, you stubbornly stand firm and tell us to suck on it, or whatever bon mot you come up with. Occasionally, you almost see what you've done but then you pout and write something like "Okay, I am completely wrong. How could I be such an embecile. You all are genuises. I will never disagree with you again", which only makes it worse. Certainly you're entitled to your opinion. But we're left with the inescapable conclusion that you have no talent for distinction, nuance or sublety. Satire is lost on you. Grey areas don't exist in your world of absolutes. What do you do in an intersection when the light turns yellow?
Originally Posted By barboy What a memorable sight! I see the WE's liberal wolf pack found another beckoning target--- this time a roaring, obstinate brown bear. I'm just glad I had my camera with me while camping in LP wilderness.
