Originally Posted By DAR <<"Muslim man bad. Wants blow me up. Must kill." That's all DAR has to say, no matter how may ways he says it. That's STUPIDITY.>> I'm pretty much against anyone wanting to kill me or even you.
Originally Posted By barboy <---- thinking that it's high time the brown bear break from this melee and scamper up a tree. It's a fight neither will win; the pack outnumbers it 9 to 1 and even with its staunchness, stature and loud roars the liberal wolves will not back down---- besides two or more in the pack are foaming at the mouth and looking a bit disoriented and out of character. If one of their bites sinks into the bear's hind leg drawing blood the bear might become infected with rabies too......time to flee.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I'm pretty much against anyone wanting to kill me or even you.<< I know this will come as a shock, DAR, but so are we. I know, I know, it's much easier to think we want to hug it out with the people who want to kill us and our children, but we don't. You know us liberals, we're crazy that way.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Are you okay with killing a terrorist?> We've been down this road many times, and putting aside the moving of the goalpost, for some reason I'm still willing to grant you the benefit of the doubt here that you've just forgotten... Yes, I'm fine with killing terrorists. If we found the cave bin Laden was hiding in, I'm fine with going in there and shooting to kill. But, though it may seem illogical to you, once you have captured someone, the rules change. It can, indeed, seem illogical that in wartime if you're shooting at the enemy in battle, it's fine and not a war crime to kill him. But once you take him prisoner, you can not kill (or torture) the same person you were trying to kill 5 minutes earlier. That may seem counterintuitive, but we have numerous agreements and treaties that bind us to that. If others break those agreements, so be it. We are better than that, and DO NOT NEED TO BREAK THEM to achieve our objectives. Please note also that it does not constitute "ganging up on you" if several of us point things like this out in various ways. It does seem like the patience of some is getting thin when you either move the goalposts or seem to forget what you've seemingly understood a few minutes earlier.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***<<Ironically, DAR seems to labor under the delusion that I stay up late at night, worrying about him and how I can "change his mind." The funny thing is, I really could care less what DAR believes. I have no interest in converting him.>> Don't flatter yourself.*** This comment doesn't make any sense. You completely misread what he wrote, but you replied anyway. ***Well please oh mighty and sanctimonious one's save me save me show me the light.*** Probably due to the fact that you were on full on, reactionary "defensive mode".
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Here's the bottom line, I don't like being told I'm wrong. And I'm going to fight tooth and nail.*** Perhaps you should examine this character flaw in more detail...it's a big problem for ya, and makes you look foolish when you back yourself into indefensible corners and can't get out in a civilized way (it's not that tough, really...you can do it!). ***<<Deliberate stupidity. Forced thickness. You can not possibly be this dumb in real life.>> If I would have said that towards Mr. X , Admin police would have been knocking on my door...*** Well, I have no control over what *they* do, but I can say that I wouldn't hit the alert button on ya over something like this (nor would I wish for someone else to do so). I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm some sort of LP darling or whatever, but the truth is Doobie is a fair guy and he's asked me to tone it down from time to time and even threatened to ban me...so it's not like I've got some special "protection umbrella" or anything.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Perhaps you should examine this character flaw in more detail...it's a big problem for ya, and makes you look foolish when you back yourself into indefensible corners and can't get out in a civilized way (it's not that tough, really...you can do it!).>> So don't stand up for what I believe. Got it.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Sometimes one believes things that turn out not to be true, though they seemed so to us at one time. For instance, you seem to believe that torture is effective. It is not; read the experts on this, not the people covering their rear ends for having authorized it. It's fine to stand up for what you believe in. But not if what you believe in isn't true.
Originally Posted By DAR Has anything happened here on US soil in eight years? So it has to be somewhat effective. And as Stephen A Smith from ESPN used to say However..... If it does, God forbid, then I will come on these boards and denounce it as ineffective and wrong. Everyone has my word on that.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>If it does, God forbid, then I will come on these boards and denounce it as ineffective and wrong. << Will you? Or will you, as you've done in this thread, try and place it at the doorstep of people who, (in your view), "weep when terrorists get a papercut"? I think I know the answer to that.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Or you could do something really unusual and blame, you know, the actual terrorists for a change.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Has anything happened here on US soil in eight years? So it has to be somewhat effective.> No, it doesn't. That's a logical fallacy. Nothing has been added to Adventureland in the last 8 years either. Was that what stopped a terrorist attack? Correlation does not equal causation. You really should listen to what the experts on this say about it, rather than relying on visceral responses and faulty logic.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>No, it doesn't. That's a logical fallacy. Nothing has been added to Adventureland in the last 8 years either. Was that what stopped a terrorist attack?<< Well in fairness, they do have some new things in the shops, and some new Jungle Cruise skippers. I'm pretty sure those guys stopped the terrorists.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Has anything happened here on US soil in eight years? So it has to be somewhat effective.*** You DO realize that you sound like a Dick Cheney soundbite, don't you? But consider this, given your logic we should've been attacked again already if you are correct. Why? Because Obama put a stop to the torture months ago. So DAR, if it really was effective, why have we not seen any attacks on U.S. soil?
