Originally Posted By WilliamK99 I don't have a problem with using safer products. But the parents and the kid knew they weren't. I just wondering why they aren't suing the kid who hit the ball.<< He probably doesn't have any money. If the kid who hit the ball parent's were rich, they would have been added to the lawsuit.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper William...I understand your point completely. But, I'm not sure Michael Jordan, in his endorsement, says, "Gatorade is safe for people who drink ONLY it while in the desert." The implication in this case, as I understand it, is that Little League endorsed this particular bat as "safe for children."
Originally Posted By X-san ***OK, true story, I knew a guy who went 1 week without drinking any water, it was in the desert, brutal heat, but all he drank was Gatorade.*** What a sad story! Was he trying to prove a point or something?
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 What a sad story! Was he trying to prove a point or something?<< He didn't like water, and with gatorade prelevant here along with energy drinks it's easy to not drink water, but I find only 1 thing truly hydrates you and that is water.
Originally Posted By X-san ***I just wondering why they aren't suing the kid who hit the ball. He probably doesn't have any money. If the kid who hit the ball parent's were rich, they would have been added to the lawsuit.*** Why? Is there some precedent in legal terms for a ball player hitting the ball to hard? This is just getting stupid now!
Originally Posted By wahooskipper What ever happened to the lawsuit against the radio station who had contestants drink as much water as possible without using the bathroom to win a new car? Someone died in that case and I'm pretty sure the radio station was sued.
Originally Posted By barboy "Railroad operators know that crossings would be safer with lights and gates. When do crossings generally get lights and gates? After someone has died at the crossing." .........and someone filed a lawsuit under some "attractive nuisance" theory--- just more everyday stupidity.
Originally Posted By X-san ***The implication in this case, as I understand it, is that Little League endorsed this particular bat as "safe for children."*** Are any bats "safe for children"? Is it really possible to deem any object "safe for children" that is intended to whack a nearly rock hard projectile towards other children? Why not sue little league for endorsing any bats at all? They're *all* dangerous, it's just a matter of degrees. For that matter, why not sue the maker of the ball? That's the thing that actually hit the kid, right? A softer ball might have caused less damage, no?
Originally Posted By wahooskipper You know what? Drinking coffee at McDonald's is "safer" now b/c they were sued when a customer spilled hot coffee and got burned severely. That is an oft-used case to criticize frivolous lawsuis but look at the results: Most coffee sellers now sell drinks in safer, high temperature cups with warning labels. Even Starbucks provides an extra level of protection with the cover that goes over the coffee "cup". Who knows if this kid would have sustained the injury if the bat used was wooden instead of aluminum. But again, if the intended use of each product is the same...and wood is safer...I'm not understanding why you would argue for aluminum and against wood. Cars stopped with regular brakes. Anti-lock brakes are safer. Should we ignore anti lock brakes?
Originally Posted By dshyates Not one person here has advocated using dangerous products. But in this case they weren't. The parents knew this prior to the accident. As Wahoo pointed out there is a lot of pressure from parents to let their kids get the long ball. Were these some of these parents prior to the accident? We don't know. They may have already been trying to get the leagues to change over. Bottomline, they accepted the risk when they put their kid out there. Do I think they need to take a serious look at aluminum bat safety. Apparently.
Originally Posted By X-san ***What ever happened to the lawsuit against the radio station who had contestants drink as much water as possible without using the bathroom to win a new car? Someone died in that case and I'm pretty sure the radio station was sued.*** It was a nintendo wii. "hold your wee for a wii" And I hope nothing happened. The radio station wasn't negligent imo. Anyone dumb enough to risk their health on a contest deserves what they get. If I held a contest asking LPers to discontinue drinking water for two weeks in order to win a prize, would any do that? If so, why is it MY fault if their stupidity results in death?
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Wahooskipper let me hit you upside the head with a wooden bat, then with an aluminum bat and then you can tell me which one is safer... Chances are both will give you a massive headache ;o)
Originally Posted By X-san ***But again, if the intended use of each product is the same...and wood is safer...I'm not understanding why you would argue for aluminum and against wood.*** Once again, it's all a matter of degrees. All baseball bats (and balls, for that matter) are dangerous. If we switched to whiffle balls and tennis rackets, everything would be a great deal safer. Why not advocate that, then?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip ***OK, true story, I knew a guy who went 1 week without drinking any water, it was in the desert, brutal heat, but all he drank was Gatorade. Well, Electrolytes are fine and dandy but you need water as well and he ended up dying from lack of water.*** I'd be willing to bet major money that is an urban legend. The primary ingredient of Gatorade is water... the above claim makes absolutely no sense.
Originally Posted By X-san That thought did cross my mind. I took William's word for it though that he knew it "as a fact". But I did think to myself "isn't there water in gatorade?".
Originally Posted By X-san That might only make sense if the person simply consumed freeze-dried gatorade PACKETS maybe?
Originally Posted By barboy "Most coffee sellers now sell drinks in safer, high temperature cups with warning labels. Even Starbucks provides an extra level of protection with the cover that goes over the coffee "cup"." That is a terrible thing---- look at all of that unnecessary packaging now because of that asinine case and it makes our drinks cost more too. I hope someone sues you wahoo, a complaint with no merit too; I really do since you seem to love frivolous claims.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 <a href="http://www.elitefts.com/documents/just_drink_water.htm" target="_blank">http://www.elitefts.com/docume...ater.htm</a> How Pedialyte or Gatorade can make you very ill Drinking electrolyte solutions when you have signaled to your kidneys to get rid of as much water as possible is simple. You drink the solution and more and more of the salt stays behind as you continue to remove fluids from your body. Eventually, the salt content is so high that it can become imbalanced (potassium to sodium), or the high concentration of salt will suck fluid out of your brain or heart or some other organ that you might need to live. Dehydration alone is dangerous. You don’t have to just take in salt solutions or electrolyte solutions to be in danger. Not taking in fluids at all will result in dehydration, and that is very dangerous as well. Two terms you must learn are hypernatremia and hyponatremia. Hypernatremia is due to too little water, too much salt, or a combination thereof. Hyponatremia is due to too much water, not enough salt, or a combination thereof. The point is simple. You have a balance. Go too high or too low, and you die. The following was taken from an article in the New York Times: “Dr. Lewis G. Maharam, the medical director for the New York City Marathon and marathons in San Diego, Phoenix, Nashville and Virginia Beach, said this: ‘There are no reported cases of dehydration causing death in the history of world running. But there are plenty of cases of people dying of hyponatremia.’ Although Gatorade officials say that the salt in the drink prevents the over-hydrating of cells, Maharam says that Gatorade, in this case, is no better than water. Last year, one percent of New York's 35,000 runners were hospitalized with hyponatremia.†Thanks for calling me a liar Road Trip, appreciate it....
Originally Posted By X-san That's not fair. The guy is simply chiming in, and he obviously knows alot about parks and recreation and has heard a lot of stories. Plus, he said too that he wasn't sure if this thing had merit. Let's knock off the attacks against each other here, can't we? I haven't read anything in particular that tells me one person is "defending" a position unfairly or without thought behind it.
