Originally Posted By vbdad55 Beaubots would scare me, but beerbots sound like they could be very useful...
Originally Posted By HyperTyper >>> In short, Packer endorses physical violence as a response to homosexuality It seems to me that he says he understands that one is justified in defending one's self when someone makes unwanted sexual advances ... which is pretty-much what we call either molestation or rape. Isn't that what we tell women and children to do when they are being subjected to unwelcome and unsolicited sexual advances? I don't think you can fairly draw the conclusion that he thinks it's okay to go around decking gays. That's a big (and unreasonable) leap. Any man who lays a finger on a woman without permission can rightly expect to get walloped ... and no one would feel sorry for him. I don't know why the expectation should be otherwise if the person is gay and the target a man. I notice you don't include any quotes from leaders in the Mormon and other churches that encourage love for and patience with people who choose a different path than themselves (including gays). There are dozens, possibly hundreds or thousands of such quotes ... if one cares to look at the WHOLE picture.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>There are dozens, possibly hundreds or thousands of such quotes ... if one cares to look at the WHOLE picture.<< Post three.
Originally Posted By ecdc Nice try, Hyper, but that's not what Packer is saying at all. There's no quotes from Packer telling women to take the same course. He's referring specifically to homosexuality. Anyone who has followed Packer's career knows of his bizarre obsession with sexuality and his extremist comments throughout the years about it. If you ask me, he doth protest too much. After all, this is the man who said the biggest threat to the Mormon church is gays and lesbians, feminists, and *intellectuals*. It may just be the only time I've ever heard the word intellectual used as a pejorative term. As for posts on loving patience, even the kindest quotes you might find from Mormon leaders would be the typical condescending nonsense about how they love gays and understand their struggle; they often compare a gay persons "plight" to alcoholism. It's an ignorance that essentially says, we have the answers, so we're not going listen to what gays themselves say. But Mormons, like so many other faiths, have had bigotry before and slowly overcame it. Church leaders of the 40s, 50s, and 60s used racial epithets and the Church refused to grant blacks the Mormon priesthood until 1978 - well after the peak of the civil rights movement. Someday they'll change in how they treat and understand gays as well.
