Originally Posted By oc_dean Hey Ivan, before you're thrown off from LP .. learn the difference between "to" and "too".
Originally Posted By mawnck oc_dean, he knows the difference. He's a troll. Stop taking the bait. Report, and shuddup!
Originally Posted By oc_dean you're right :x shhhhhhhh BUT .... I have noticed too many people report to too many people about how to not talk too much. and... The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle; the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true!
Originally Posted By tiggertoo <<Eventually compromise will return and it'll all be okay.>> <<Will it be pretty? No>> Indeed. Usually when we have partisan disputes, they do would out in compromise. However, some disputes are so caustic and deep-rooted that in order to come to compromise (or forced compromise), drastic actions are required (e.g., American Civil War). We are as close to that threshold then we've ever been since 1860. Scary.
Originally Posted By ecdc It should be noted that today Boehner told his caucus he absolutely would not allow a debt default. He would violate the Hastert rule if necessary and bring it to the floor for bipartisan support. We'll see how it plays out. Boehner's easy to dislike, but he's not crazy.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>It should be noted that today Boehner told his caucus he absolutely would not allow a debt default.<< We owe the orange weasel a debt of gratitude if he follows through on this. He will essentially be falling on his sword to solve the problem. I suspect he's realized that he has nothing to lose at this point, in that nothing he does at this point is going to change how the crazies see him, or what they're going to do in the next election. Hopefully the rest of the non-wacko republicans (however many there are left) have realized the same thing. They're all going to get primaried from the right regardless. They have nothing to lose.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<I suspect he's realized that he has nothing to lose at this point, in that nothing he does at this point is going to change how the crazies see him, or what they're going to do in the next election.>> I have another theory, actually. I suspect some powerful people on Wall Street made him an offer he couldn't refuse. He knows the baggers will kick his butt during the primaries next year. There's a very good chance that Boehner won't win his primary, should he choose to run again. So I believe he's been given a cushy multi-million dollar a year K Street job in exchange for not taking the nation into default. Corporate multinationals would be slammed the hardest, therefore cutting Boehner a deal for a lobbyist position in 2015 made sense. It's a win-win-win all the way around.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Boehner's easy to dislike, but he's not crazy." I beg to differ.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 >>It should be noted that today Boehner told his caucus he absolutely would not allow a debt default.<< So if he knows that he'll have to cave at some point, why not now? Why keep millions out of work just to prove a point?
Originally Posted By mawnck >>So if he knows that he'll have to cave at some point, why not now? Why keep millions out of work just to prove a point?<< I suspect this "leak" may have been for the benefit of the lunatic fringe, to bring their expectations under control ... to the extent that's possible.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>to the extent that's possible.<< Just like the neocon war in Iraq, the GOP has no exit strategy from this phony brinksmanship. It's all bluster and blather and playing to their kooky choir, imagining they are doing the Lord's work or something. Eventually, the remaining adults in the GOP will grow weary of it and get involved again. This phase teh right is going through is going to be painful to recall for them a few short years from now, like looking at family photos from the 1970s. "Can you believe we wore THAT -- and we thought we looked good?" In the meantime, we'll have to listen to the clods wearing denim leisure suits and shiny white shoes and hope they don't break any of the fixtures.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Eventually, the remaining adults in the GOP will grow weary of it and get involved again." I sure would like to know when that's going to happen. I think you might be a little too optimistic. The GOP has been on an obvious and slow gradual death spin since Gingrich and the Clinton witch hunt. You could tell they were grasping for relevancy when McCain unleashed Palin on the national stage. We've reached the point now where they're they've set the place on fire and are pointing and blaming everyone else for the damage. The Tea Party has them so far out in the weeds that even big business has lost much of its influence over the GOP: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/government-shutdown-wall-street-tea-party-97734.html">http://www.politico.com/story/...734.html</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I beg to differ.<< If you watch Boehner in full context, like say a Frontline interview or something, he's not too bad. Truly. I mean, I obviously disagree with him on most everything, but I don't think he's crazy. I do think he likes being a Washington elite enough that he'll keep trying to appease the Tea Baggers (it's really time to go back to using that label) so he can remain Speaker. But I think if he didn't have a crazy caucus, he'd probably be a fairly moderate Speaker.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "If you watch Boehner in full context, like say a Frontline interview or something, he's not too bad." Like most congressional Republicans he's masterful at saying what people want to hear when the cameras are rolling. If he really meant business he'd bring a clean bill to the floor. He's supposed to be the adult in the room and yet he's continually towing the line for a small off the rails fraction of his party. "I do think he likes being a Washington elite enough that he'll keep trying to appease the Tea Baggers (it's really time to go back to using that label) so he can remain Speaker." This sort of proves my point. Only a crazy person in a position of important government leadership would cater to a small extreme fringe of their party in order to keep their title and position. Boehner is recklessly leading his party and our country down a terrible and dangerous path. "But I think if he didn't have a crazy caucus, he'd probably be a fairly moderate Speaker." I'm not sold. He's never demonstrated that he's honestly and sincerely willing to work with the White House.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>He's never demonstrated that he's honestly and sincerely willing to work with the White House.<< That's because he's not. He can't work with them and still be Speaker, not with the crazies in his party. I promise I'm not a Boehner fan. I'm basically saying he's vain and loves the prestige of the job, but he's not an ideologue who's crazy. And (hopefully) if push comes to shove, he actually won't destroy the economy. (He did bring previous bills to the floor that the majority of his party voted against: Hurricane Sandy relief, Fiscal cliff deal.)
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "...but he's not an ideologue who's crazy." It sure is acting that way this week.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<In the meantime, we'll have to listen to the clods wearing denim leisure suits and shiny white shoes and hope they don't break any of the fixtures.>> Yeah. We really need Dr Fever, but we're stuck with Herb Tarlek.
