Originally Posted By woody >>Oh, and here's another thing to read: <a href="http://www.livescience.com/env" target="_blank">http://www.livescience.com/env</a> ironment/070716_gw_notwrong.html I certainly read it. Money Quote: "One argument commonly used to cast doubt on the idea of global warming is the supposed predictions of an impending ice age by scientists in the 1970s. One might say: First the Earth was supposed to be getting colder; now scientists say it’s getting hotter—how can we trust scientists if they’re predictions are so wishy-washy?" "Because the first prediction was never actually made. Rather, it’s something of an urban climate myth." "But several popular media, such as Newsweek, ran articles that exaggerated what scientists had said about the potential of aerosols to cool the Earth." In order to create more credibility for Global Warming, they can't keep denying what was done before wih Global Cooling.
Originally Posted By friendofdd >>>"What that is is your opinion and intrepretation." No, it's not. It's the opinion of scientific agencies the world over, and thousands upon thousands of scientists in all branches of academia and research who say what I'm saying, including attempts at derailing.<<< You must find it convenient to make out of whole cloth anything you want to say. This is about your reaction to the posted report. Please cite your source for the statement >>>What it's about is an attempt to derail what is an actual problem.<<< as it relates to this report.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Harmful effects of second hand smoke has been debunked AND I don't smoke." Let us know when you spot bigfoot, woody. "You must find it convenient to make out of whole cloth anything you want to say." Just like you seem to find it convenient to ignore the truth, and what every scientific organization of any credibility has to say. So, there is little point in trying to justify anything to you, because you don't believe anything except what you already think is right, no matter how completely wrong it is.
Originally Posted By woody Jonvn: I didn't have to go too far to find a bigfoot in you. You should learn to respond to friendofdd. The Senate never ratified Kyoto. The report would appear to further justify its decision.
Originally Posted By friendofdd >>>So, there is little point in trying to justify anything to you, because you don't believe anything except what you already think is right, no matter how completely wrong it is.<<< It really is wonderful when we find we have something in common, Jonvn.
Originally Posted By DAR I'm not a Global Warming denier, but I am a little skeptical that this same group of Scientists told us 30 some years ago that the Earth would be cooling by now. Let's be honest, science research never stops. And with this I don't ever expect it too. So to say this debate is over doesn't ring true to me.
Originally Posted By jonvn "You should learn to respond to friendofdd. " He got his response. I posted a response to his original article, and further information regarding the subject in general. He posted crap from people trying to derail the public discussion of the issue. These people almost always have ties back to places such as Western Fuels and other fossil fuel corporations. The idea that this is not happening is moronic at this point. The few who still think there is a "debate" are those who simply refuse to listen to what science is actually saying. There is no debate, and no credible individuals or groups are saying anything other than what is generally known at this time. That's what it comes down to. There is no further debate on the matter. As I said, all (that would be ALL) scientific bodies of any credibility ALL say the same thing. ALL OF THEM. OK? They aren't debating this. It's considered an accepted fact by all branches of science. How many times this needs to be said is sad.
Originally Posted By jonvn "I am a little skeptical that this same group of Scientists told us 30 some years ago that the Earth would be cooling by now." Then you should be comforted in knowing that they never actually did.
Originally Posted By friendofdd >>>He posted crap from people trying to derail the public discussion of the issue.<<< >>>There is no debate,<<< >>>There is no further debate on the matter.<<< >>>They aren't debating this.<<< All this from post #48. Makes me realize my education is lacking. I don't know what the difference is between public discussion and debate.
Originally Posted By friendofdd >>>We never had warnings of Global Cooling? Really?<<< Those issuing that warning were obviously wrong, but they did warn. Anybody googling "global cooling warning" will see that it happened.
Originally Posted By jmoore1966 I think I understand the following definitions now: Public Discussion: Discussion which involves the agreement of said topic in which everyone agrees on said topic, in which case, there really does not need to be a discussion. Debate: Discourse which involves disagreement with said topic, of which no debate is reasonable since those in agreement with said topic have held several discussions pronouncing debate not to be discussable.
Originally Posted By jonvn "We never had warnings of Global Cooling? " Not really, no. This has been talked about repeatedly. You can go look up the information online.
Originally Posted By DAR ^^^ Which is where my skepticism comes from. I'm not saying Global Warming isn't happening. Personally I want to see more research done with this. For years we were lead to believe that dinosaurs just disappeared and were of reptillian descent. Well after years of studying, key word STUDYING, we found that it was an asteroid that wiped them out and we also found that many of them are closer to birds. That's how I approach any scientific findings that I read about.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Those issuing that warning were obviously wrong, but they did warn" No, they did not. And, no. There is no scientific debate on the matter at this point. There simply is not. You want to discuss it? Fine. But there is no debate. There is still research going on, but it is to further understand the process we already know about.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Not really, no. This has been talked about repeatedly. You can go look up the information online.>> You can also look up people farting Hey Jude "online". So I tend to take a portion of what I read "online" with a slight grain of salt.
