Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>The Germany ones are pretty bad. Norway as well.<<< Eh. I could see where you are coming from, but they are so random, and hidden away, it really doesn't have an effect. And I like the clock one, in Germany.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 Personally I like the Kim Possible thing at EPCOT so I don't see this as something bad for the MK. This is like icing on the cake for me. I just hope someone starts baking some cakes at WDW soon.
Originally Posted By SeventyOne <<>>>This could be a cool experience. It could also be horribly intrusive and ruin the ambiance like some of the Kim Possible effects.<<< Those being? >> >The Germany ones are pretty bad. Norway as well.< France might be the worse. A buzzing sound that just echoes off the walls of the lobby. Heard it at least 4 times waiting for the movie a couple weeks ago, my companions (a group of princess-wannabe CMs no less) joked about stealing the walkie-talkies and smashing them. In contrast, I think the UK works pretty well. Again, tho, "international intrigue"--even of a cartoonish variety--fit World Showcase a lot better than Merlin and the Disney villains fit MSUSA or Liberty Square.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Personally I like the Kim Possible thing at EPCOT so I don't see this as something bad for the MK. This is like icing on the cake for me. I just hope someone starts baking some cakes at WDW soon.<<< Hah. Well said.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>Pretty hard to do when only one of those replacements isn't total crap and one is an empty shell.<<< Well just as soon as someone can convince me that Mission Space, Test Track, Soarin or even Ellen's Universe is crap I will agree with you. I'm sure someone will tell me that Kitchen Kabaret was superior to Soarin, but they will be wrong. The only thing of any substance that has gone from MK is 20K and that was destined for ending if for no other reason then the speed of loading and unloading. To replace the Pooh playground with the new Fantasyland is huge, it's just not huge to our particular age group. So it becomes what have you done for ME personally? Not much probably, but the target in MK is not you it is the kids. We grownups have Epcot, DHS and AK. And since 2005 a lot has been added and plussed in those parks. Yes, there is room for and a need for a lot more, but instant gratification will not be possible for these items.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""but 20K is long dead. It's time to stop mourning its absence and deal with what we have today. NOTHING will bring 20K back"" Yet they were able to resurrect the Subs from the living yesterland dead in Anaheim. Excuses excuses....
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""Well just as soon as someone can convince me that Mission Space, Test Track, Soarin or even Ellen's Universe is crap I will agree with you"" If you cant see if for yourself then your pretty much hopeless. Even my BF, who had NEVER ridden Horizons and only Space, i showed him Horizons video by Martin and he could not believe they took out Horizons for Space. So even people who have NEVER SEEN Horizons IN PERSON think it was superior to Space!!!!
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 ""but 20K is long dead. It's time to stop mourning its absence and deal with what we have today. NOTHING will bring 20K back"" I remember as a 4 year loving 20K. Then I went on a few years later and wondered why I loved it exactly.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<If you cant see if for yourself then your pretty much hopeless. Even my BF, who had NEVER ridden Horizons and only Space, i showed him Horizons video by Martin and he could not believe they took out Horizons for Space. So even people who have NEVER SEEN Horizons IN PERSON think it was superior to Space!!!!>> I loved Horizons and was sad to see it go. I try to listen to audio of it whenever I can. But I still think Mission Space is a well done ride, I only rode it once but I thought it was themed very well. If Horizons was a four star ride, then Mission Space is a three and half.
Originally Posted By PotNoodle <Well just as soon as someone can convince me that Mission Space, Test Track, Soarin or even Ellen's Universe is crap I will agree with you. I'm sure someone will tell me that Kitchen Kabaret was superior to Soarin, but they will be wrong.> This is just an opinion. Opinions are neither right nor wrong. I can tell you I feel Horizons was a better ride than M:S and you are entitled to disagree, but you would be incorrect to tell me I am wrong. <Not much probably, but the target in MK is not you it is the kids.> A) I don't know where or how this sentiment got started. MK was meant to be a place where a family could enjoy rides together--not just little girls and boys. B) As a parent who pays for my child to get in to MK, I would like more offerings for us as a family. It has become so segmented. Over the years, I have seen MK skew its offerings to a younger, girlie set. I guess they are trying to develop brand loyalty as early as possible.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Yet they were able to resurrect the Subs from the living yesterland dead in Anaheim." Yeah, and what did we get? An underwater advertisement for Finding Nemo. The Sub attraction at DL is much improved over what it was, but it's still a mediocre anticlimactic experience. I so wish they'd spent that money a brand new attraction instead of ressurecting the Submarines.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: Well, I'm just glad they did something to put Merlin back to work. It was awful when they first laid him off, due to the cancellation of the Sword in the Stone Ceremony. Now he'll be employed again! No more pushing shopping carts down the mean streets of Orlando! ORDDU: Yes, this new project really isn't the end of the world. For those who might enjoy something like this, it really doesn't take away from the experiences of anyone else. So there isn't anything to worry about.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Didn't you ladies see him pushing a shopping cart on Hollywood Blvd recently?
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: Yes, we did, Dr. Hans. And we felt so sorry for him. His beard was dirty and his robe was tattered. We offered to take him back home with us to Morva but one look at a certain nasty old biddy who was with us scared that idea right out of his head!
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Yet they were able to resurrect the Subs from the living yesterland dead in Anaheim. Excuses excuses....<< It helped that they never filled in the lagoon. <>Yeah, and what did we get? An underwater advertisement for Finding Nemo.</i> Correct. I rode it once and remained puzzled ove rthe long lines. I also rode the Rocket Rods ... once ... neither was worth the long wait.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Well just as soon as someone can convince me that Mission Space, Test Track, Soarin or even Ellen's Universe is crap I will agree with you.>> You mentioned Horizons, JII, WoM, and WoL in your original post. Nothing about the Land or Universe of Energy. Saying the current Imagination Pavilion is anything other than crap is generous. WOL isn't even an attraction anymore, so yea, crap. Test Track is a thrill ride with about 2 seconds of "thrill", and the rest is cold, boring, industrial scenes. *Yawn* Mission: Space is the only solid ride out of the bunch. Love me some Mission: Space.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Not much probably, but the target in MK is not you it is the kids.>> In the current day's Disney it is. And that's the problem.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>>Yet they were able to resurrect the Subs from the living yesterland dead in Anaheim. Excuses excuses....<<<< If you are implying that we could have had a sub ride, you are correct. However, once the lagoon was filled in then it was time to place the head stone. It was done. The timing of filling in the lagoon, in my mind, was completely from having to do another sub ride in WDW. They kept the one in Anaheim too long and had to do something with it. Before we even knew that they were redoing the subs in DL it was nothing but dirt in WDW. >>>If you cant see if for yourself then your pretty much hopeless. Even my BF, who had NEVER ridden Horizons and only Space, i showed him Horizons video by Martin and he could not believe they took out Horizons for Space. So even people who have NEVER SEEN Horizons IN PERSON think it was superior to Space!!!!<<<, I'm hopeless, yet you are still hanging on to something that is not coming back. It is a matter of opinion as to whether or not Horizons was the best thing since sliced bread. I liked it but I didn't love it. I think the Mission Space is a far, far superior ride to Horizons. If you can't see that for yourself, then you're pretty much hopeless. (I don't really think that you're hopeless, but since you chose to say it about me, it only seemed fair.) >>>>I don't know where or how this sentiment got started. MK was meant to be a place where a family could enjoy rides together--not just little girls and boys.<<<< It came from the reality that Walt didn't design or require every ride in Disneyworld to be for the family. You could, if you wanted but he himself said that his inspiration came for sitting on a bench, eating peanuts while the daughters rode the carrousel. So what was one of the original rides in DL..The Carrousel. Imagine that. He knew that not everything that children loved would be equally shared by their parents, so he put somethings in that were really just for kids and some things that would be enjoyed more by the parents. That way, both could go to a theme park and find something that they liked to do, thereby, enjoying the parks together. >>>>You mentioned Horizons, JII, WoM, and WoL in your original post. Nothing about the Land or Universe of Energy. Saying the current Imagination Pavilion is anything other than crap is generous. WOL isn't even an attraction anymore, so yea, crap. Test Track is a thrill ride with about 2 seconds of "thrill", and the rest is cold, boring, industrial scenes. *Yawn*<<<<
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Sorry I accidentally hit the post button before I finished. About that last quote...I do not know at all what you are trying to say there. When I talked about that original list we were talking strictly about attractions that were departed, not to return. The latter part was me asking what was "crap" about the remaining ones that had either been built or revamped. So you need to explain what you meant by your post, please.
