Originally Posted By Beaumandy Tom, the rapist is getting out in March ( 2 months ). Is that OK with you under any circumstance? STPH.. is it OK with you, seeing as you only care that you think the term was legal, regardless of the damage done to the little girl?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Joe, I have been on here for years debating the people on here. At the end of the day we all love Disney and want what's best for our country. The debate comes from what is best for the country. Giving terrorists a bunch of rights they don't deserve and letting rapists get out of jail in 2 months is not what's best for America. That is where my constant attack on liberal views come from.
Originally Posted By Shooba >>Your telling me I am going to lose a debate where a judge gives a rapist 60 days?<< No, you won’t lose that debate. Unfortunately, no one is arguing that a rapist should be released after 60 days. No one here, not the judge, and not the prosecution (see posts 52 & 54). In this case, if the rapist is not rehabilitated and comes even close to reoffending, he goes straight to jail. He does not pass go, he does not collect $200. But go ahead arguing against the straw man. Knock him down good, if it makes you feel self-righteous. Meanwhile, the non-right-wing-nutjob-looney-tunes crowd can debate the real issue: whether a rapist should be punished, rehabilitated, or both. Rehabilitation? A lot of history indicates this is futile for sexual offenders. Still, it’s a fundamental element of the justice system. In this case, if the rapist is not rehabilitated and comes even close to re-offending, he goes straight to jail. He does not pass go, he does not collect $200. Punishment? The scumbag definitely deserves it. But does it really serve society’s best interests? He’ll be out in 8 years, when his victim is still only 14 years old. Maybe earlier with parole. And, he won’t have been treated so he’ll just re-offend. It’s a not a simple issue, and reasonable minds can argue for a variety of responses. Unreasonable minds on the other hand…
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Well said Beau so here's hoping that our next trip to Disney, (we have ap's) we don't get shut out of TT and SM! We couldn't even get a FP and the biggest letdown was we couldn't even get near the Land to try for Soarin.!! Luckily we go every other month or so. New Years was the busiest I've ever seen it. Tom---------Look at all the children at WDW next time you go and think if some scumbag raped one of these little kids, how would a 2 month sentence be????????? You mustn't HATE kids that much Tom??????
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Tom------furthermore why do you pick out ONE thing to get me on and ignore the other things that you should have responded to?<< What other things?
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Hello Shooba-------In the interim he's free to rape that last little girl ONE MORE TIME because you and others won't stand up and say "Enough is enoough" Just lock him up or I would say KILL him Very simple. It won't happen (capital punishment) as even Bill O'Reilly is against it but I'm not. Child predators should be killed. As Dennis Miller said "Sometimes we have to thin out the herd!"
Originally Posted By Shooba >>>You mustn't HATE kids that much Tom??????<<< Now you are Beaumandy's twin. Agree with sentence = hates children Disagree with the war in Iraq = wants Saddam back in power etc etc ad nauseum
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Remember Shooba -- as I have learned here, it's either black or white, right or wrong, a or b. Please try to keep up.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe I get it Shooba! If he gets out in 60 he CAN'T rape anyone? That's why capital punishment so he CAN'T get out in 8 years or at least life! I'm crazed to try to protect the kids.
Originally Posted By Shooba >>>In the interim he's free to rape that last little girl ONE MORE TIME because you and others won't stand up and say "Enough is enoough"<<< I haven't actually said any such thing, only acknowledged that the issue isn't that simple. If the judge had imposed the maximum punitive sentence allowed, he'd be free to rape her again in 8 years. Is that what you want?
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <I'm crazed to try to protect the kids.> Why don't you just worry about your kids? You don't need to protect my kid. I can do that myself.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<No, you won’t lose that debate. Unfortunately, no one is arguing that a rapist should be released after 60 days. No one here, not the judge, and not the prosecution (see posts 52 & 54). In this case, if the rapist is not rehabilitated and comes even close to reoffending, he goes straight to jail. He does not pass go, he does not collect $200.>> Nice try Shooba, but you seem to ignore the fact that after all your dancing, the rapist IS GETTING OUT in 60 days. I suppose once he rapes another girl in April, you can realllly get serious and demand he gets a whole year in the slammer. So yes, you are arguing that getting out in 60 days is OK. And once again...screw his rehab. In normal, sane thinking America, you lock this animal away for many, many years.. THEN you can do your touchy, feely rehab crap down the raos in 2020 or so. What about the rehab and safety of the little girl? Don't seem to hear much from you libs about her. But of course you want to defend the judge and give this poor rapist rehab though. Hi Jim from Merced... great post, very well thought out.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>This case really is a no-brainer<< It's only a no-brainer if you let O'Reilly tell you what to think. You must have read the part of the sentencing transcript where the judge was referring to the presentence report from the Department of Corrections that suggested a three year sentence with no treatment. And O'Reilly must have mentioned that the judge really railed against that three year recommendation, because it didn't put Hulett under control of the state long enough. And it didn't reduce the chance of him re-offending since he wouldn't be getting treatment. And it would criminalize him even further since he'd be in the prison population. I am not going to be ashamed for teaching my daughter that justice does not equal retribution. I'm not going to be ashamed for teaching her that trying to solve a problem is better than trying to sweep it under the rug.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Let's not forget what matters most here and that is a little girl has been scarred for the rest of here life. No kid should ever have to live like that.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Rehabilitation? A lot of history indicates this is futile for sexual offenders.<< Actually, not true. <a href="http://66.165.94.98/stories/sexoffend.html" target="_blank">http://66.165.94.98/stories/se xoffend.html</a> The recidivism rate for sex offenders who receive treatment is about 8.4%. It's over twice as much 18.5% for offenders who don't receive treatment. Vermont has some of the most effective treatment programs in the country, and their recidivism rate for pedophiles who have received treatment is 7%.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>What about the rehab and safety of the little girl? Don't seem to hear much from you libs about her.<< According to the sentencing report - which I'm pretty sure you haven't read yet - she is in therapy and her doctors and therapists are well aware of the dangers she faces because of the abuse. But they also say that she is a very strong and resilient girl, and that she is being well taken care of. So I know more about the girl than you do, Beau, because I cared enough to read the actual court documents.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Let's not forget what matters most here and that is a little girl has been scarred for the rest of here life. No kid should ever have to live like that.<< Which is why she's getting therapy to help her.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Shooba!!! Please read the last E Capital Punishment or Life!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhh!!! Can't anyone read???
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<Which is why she's getting therapy to help her. >> And I pray that it will work for her.
