Originally Posted By bboisvert Guess I'll have to go to France for quality cheese, although I've heard an eloquent LP poster recently announce that "France still sucks.", so I may have to make different plans. On a related subject, did O'Reilly ever lift his boycott on France? How did that all turn out? I never heard if their economy collapsed entirely or just partially imploded because of the Factor's boycott.
Originally Posted By trailsend Here is one link: <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0</a>,2933,181875,00.html Vermont's Shame Continues... Tuesday, January 17, 2006 By Bill O'Reilly Vermont's shame continues: that is the subject of this evening's "Talking Points Memo." It is getting worse up in Vermont, as some in the green mountain state have launched a counter attack to defend Judge Edward Cashman, who sentenced 34-year-old man Mark Hulett to 60 days in prison for raping a six-year old girl over a four year period. Hulett is set to get out March 4th. And now we learn that Hulett's best friend is also accused of abusing the little girl. 33-year old Derek Kimball has been charged with sexual assault. No trial date has been set. Not only did Hulett rape the girl himself, but he may have set up another man to do the same thing. And Hulett gets 60 days. Judge Cashman should have been gone last week, but so far no Vermont official has moved against him. And his boss, Superior Court Judge Amy Davenport, who could transfer him to civil court has refused to do. Also, former Vermont chief Justice Jeffrey Amestoy is praising Cashman, saying he's competent and caring. Unbelievable. The Vermont media also continues to prop up Cashman. Associated Press reporter Christopher Graff has written another sympathetic story on the judge. And a program on Vermont Public Television criticized me over the weekend. The Vermont legislature is dithering over Cashman. And although Governor Jim Douglas has called for Cashman to quit, he has done nothing else. This entire revolting display should remind you of Jessica Lunsford's murder in Citrus County, Florida. As police desperately searched for the nine-year-old girl, the accused killer's housemates mislead the cops, who came to their front door. Bought and delivered Couey a bus ticket so he could flee the state. And now Couey himself says roommate Matthew Dittrich knew Jessica was in the trailer where she was sexually assaulted and suffocated to death. Yet Florida prosecutor Brad King refused to charge Couey's enablers. And The St. Petersburg Times supported King, who remains the chief law enforcement official in Citrus County, if you can believe it. Now the only good thing to come out of Jessica's case is Jessica's Law. The Florida legislature did pass tough mandatory sentencing against child predators. In Vermont, there are no mandatory sentencing laws for child rapists. And there are no public demonstrations against Judge Cashman. Where are activists Ben & Jerry, the ice cream guys who constantly scream about human rights? Where is former Governor Howard Dean? Senators Jeffords and Leahy? Where is socialist Congressman Bernie Sanders? Surely, he cares about the victim's rights. Our billoreilly.com poll question asks if Judge Cashman is not removed from criminal cases, will you boycott Vermont? If Judge Cashman is not removed from criminal cases, will you boycott Vermont? Unfortunately, that's what it might take -- action by the rest of the country to wake the state up. And that's "The Memo." <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0</a>,2933,181875,00.html
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Still boycotting as sales there plummeted and continue to (to my knowledge) I really think we should not spend money helping people who hate us which is why I'm getting more and more inclined to think that we should get out of Iraq.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer The French economy grew at about 2% last year, and has been expanding since at least 2002.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01/12/vermont.judge.ap/" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01 /12/vermont.judge.ap/</a> (Excerpts that show that Vermonters are reacting) "And several Vermont Republican lawmakers have demanded he resign or be impeached." ""As far as we're concerned, Cashman's district can hereby be considered a predator's sanctuary," wrote the Caledonian Record newspaper of St. Johnsbury. "As long as judges like Ed Cashman are allowed to sit on Vermont benches, children cannot be considered safe." "Republican Gov. James Douglas said Thursday the judge should consider resigning. He condemned the 60-day sentence as insensitive to the victim and her family." <a href="http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?s=4325804" target="_blank">http://www.wcax.com/Global/sto ry.asp?s=4325804</a> (WCAX is a CBS affiliate in Vermont) "Judge Cashman's short sentence for an admitted child molester triggered immediate public and political reaction with some lawmakers saying he should leave the bench. Judge Edward Cashman's light sentence was the talk of the town. Wednesday he sentenced child rapist Mark Hulett to 60 days in jail. Hulett admitted he raped a little girl countless times when she was between 7 and 10 years old. Prosecutors said Hulett deserved at least 8 years in prison in part as punishment." "Almost everyone we spoke with in Burlington on Thursday had heard about the case, but we found no one who liked it. "We were actually talking about it at work this morning. It just does not fee as if justice was done. Seems like a really serious crime with a pretty small consequence," said Joan Robinson of Burlington. "I was dismayed to see that someone who had committed such a serious crime against a young child would be given less of a prison sentence than for instance someone who got a second-term DWI," said Paul Poss of South Burlington. "It just seems really sad to me that was the judge's decision. And I hope that other judges look at that decision and see it as the wrong decision,"explained Robyn MaGuire of Winooski. It's absolutely amazing based on what's going on in the United States with sex offenders, registry, non-registry, and so forth, that somebody could get a 60-day sentence and get off that easily. It just seems impossible to me that a 60-day sentence is logical," said Bill Polk of Panton." Can we knock off the lies that Vermont isn't doing anything about this?
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<Prosecutors said Hulett deserved at least 8 years in prison in part as punishment.>> Does anyone realize how pathetic that is? 8 years for comitting that type of crime.
Originally Posted By trailsend >>>Can we knock off the lies that Vermont isn't doing anything about this? <<<< Tom, I know how you feel about O'Reilly. However, in fairness, he brought national atention to this matter. Oprah is now showing sex offenders/child molestors on her show and offers $$$ rewards for people who turn them in. Several have already been caught. This is a serious problem that needs all the attention it gets.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Tom just watch the Factor tonight and see if the judge is still in power and if the sentence is still just 2 months. If everything is status quo, that is NOT a lie to say that Vermont is not doing anything about this. Just a gentleman's disagreement as I have a daughter 12 and there WOULD be change like in FL with Jessica's law if I lived in Vermont! People have done NOTHING in Vt. to obtain change and strenghthening of the laws concerning protecting our children. Tom ---------Do you feel comfortable with the wacko judge still sitting there in power with ability to have our children's lives being ruined while saying that we have to HELP the child rapist? It's very scary in Vt and NOTHING has changed so let the audience decide if it is a lie to state the facts as they are. You are very close on France as the economy grew at 2.1% last year with 2% inflattion so real growth at .1%. With the U.S buying their products it would have been maybe 5%. Just watch the talks and see BOTH sides
Originally Posted By bboisvert <<Can we knock off the lies that Vermont isn't doing anything about this?>> I agree. It seems that the population of Vermont is aghast at this sentencing travesty. But how would a boycott of Vermont make things right? Bill always goes to the boycott. It's very progressive, Mr. O'Reilly, but misguided. First off, I predict that the amount of people that Bill could get to sign on to his boycott would be somewhere in the thousandth of one percent. But assuming that he did reach the critical mass necessary for a significant boycott, what purpose would it serve? The citizens of VT have already been punished once by having this vermin living in their community (and out on the streets in a few short weeks). Punishing the citizens again through an economic embargo won't fix the problem.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy If Vermont is so upset about this, where are the protests, the people in the streets, the signs demanding this idiot judge be fired? 6 months for raping a girl many times over a 4 year period? Only in liberal la la land would anyone even try and make excuses for this, and that is exactly what is happening in Vermont.... home of Howard Dean. Why is this judge still behind the bench? Bottom line is that Vermont isn't doing anything to get rid of this idiot and little kids in that state are at risk from preditors... as is the case in all liberal states where loons on the left refuse to put the hammer down on bad guys. O'Reilly exposed this guy and the libs hate to see their lack of moral clarity exposed for all to see. France by the way has taken a HUGE hit in tourism dollars. Tom, your wrong about pretty much everything thus far in this thread.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <If everything is status quo, that is NOT a lie to say that Vermont is not doing anything about this. Just a gentleman's disagreement as I have a daughter 12 and there WOULD be change like in FL with Jessica's law if I lived in Vermont! People have done NOTHING in Vt. to obtain change and strenghthening of the laws concerning protecting our children. > Wait a minute. How long ago was this sentence decided? I'm guessing quite recently, yes? Do you know what the mechanism is for removing a judge in Vermont? I don't, but perhaps you do? I'm further guessing that if Vermont has such a mechanism, it can not be executed in less than a week. Therefore, it's a bit over the top to say that Vermont as a state has "done nothing" about this judge because he "continues to sit." Also, although I don't agree with the extremely light sentence either... from the CNN story - a little balance... "The Corrections Department had concluded that Hulett was unlikely to commit another such offense, and Vermont does not provide sex-offender treatment to such inmates until they reach the end of their jail time. Cashman said he would have imposed more jail time -- a three-year minimum -- if the state promised treatment while Hulett was jailed. Sentence tied to treatment "The solution to these concerns requires quick and effective treatment," the judge wrote. He also noted that Hulett tested at a borderline intelligence level, has the emotional maturity of a 12- to 14-year-old and did not understand why others were so upset by his actions." (snip) "On Wednesday, the Correction Department reversed course and said it would allow Hulett to be treated immediately, in hopes Cashman would impose a longer sentence. Prosecutors planned to file a request Friday asking the judge to do so. Apart from the memorandum, Cashman has refused to comment on the furor, citing judicial ethics. In sentencing Hulett to 60 days, Cashman warned the defendant would get life behind bars if he failed to undergo treatment or comply with other conditions, including a prohibition against alcohol or living in an apartment complex that allows children." So if the corrections dept. allows treatment behind bars, the judge might impose a longer sentence, and the prosecution is going to ask for it. Also, the judge says if Hulett doesn't get treatment at all, or violates any of several other conditions, he would get life. So it's not quite as one-sided as O'Reilly would have it.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Tom just watch the Factor tonight << Um, yeah. I don't think that's going to happen. >>People have done NOTHING in Vt. to obtain change and strenghthening of the laws concerning protecting our children.<< You mean nothing like the mandatory sentencing law that just got introduced in the Vermont legislature as a reaction to this judges decision? Or did Bill not tell you about that? >>It's very scary in Vt and NOTHING has changed so let the audience decide if it is a lie to state the facts as they are.<< But saying nothing has changed is not stating the facts as they are.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>O'Reilly exposed this guy and the libs hate to see their lack of moral clarity exposed for all to see.<< Heh - you don't know much about this judge, do you? He's not a liberal.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe WWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW BEAU!!! As Bill would say " A clear thinking person" And it is 2 months, not 6!! BB--------Bill did NOT call for a boycott! His viewers VOTED on the subject--just facts And the VERMIN is the JUDGE not the perpetrator who is even lower on the food scale i.e. perhaps an amoeba? Change WILL occur if people stop the insousicance and do something like Beau mentioned. Thanks everyone for an interesting afternoon in between all my customers here at our insurance agency and please speak up for our children as that is what WALT himself wanted. NOT treatment for the rapist. imho----------executed-------Bill is against capital punishment-------I am not!
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<The Corrections Department had concluded that Hulett was unlikely to commit another such offense>> Crap crap crap crap. Once a child molester always a child molester.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Except for his repeated lies during the whole war on Christmas stuff.>> Polls showed again and again that people are offended and pissed that the libs are trying to ban the religious elements of Christmas. The people on the left try to pretend their is no war on christmas but that didn't fool anyone because there are to many examples that people like O'Reilly could go to so his point was proven. To say that he did it for ratings is even more pathetic and misleading. Just admit Tom.... you guys on the left hate to see any form of religion in the public square and you lie when you say seperation of church and state is something the framers had in mind. There is no such thing as seperation of church and state and no, we are not going to let a communist anti god attitude take over a christian nation like America... the best place on earth BECAUSE we are religious.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Boy Tom and I thought that I was right of Attila the Hun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like this place!)))) FTR----I am an Independent and that is why I see merit in Tom's thoughts (NOT on Vt. though) and of course Beau ciao and have a great night!!!!!!!!!! Factor begins at 8 EST!
Originally Posted By Beaumandy >>Tom just watch the Factor tonight << Um, yeah. I don't think that's going to happen.>> Yet your going to give an opinion that O'reilly lies and does these stories for ratings? Why not tune in tonight, see what is going on, THEN make your crazy comments. At least that way you can see for your self what is going on and not just parrot left wing smear sites. People are mad about this, and yes, there is a woman in Vermont who can have that judge removed TODAY if she had the guts or the will to do what any sane government would do. But in the world of the liberal, like in Vermont... you give a CHILD RAPIST 2 frigging MONTHS and people STILL argue the point? Unreal, yet not surprising when these same people argue that Saddam should still be in power and that Bush is the real terrorist. Get ready to stay out of power for generations to come if you can't even put the hammer down on a CHILD RAPIST. Since I am in Oregon, home of liberal morons in government, I need to keep a very close eye in my kids.
Originally Posted By bboisvert Arrr! Thar be thread hi-jackers here-abouts! Beware! Religion ain't got nuthin' ta do with it, lads! STAY ON COURSE! <<Bill did NOT call for a boycott! His viewers VOTED on the subject--just facts>> CCJ, my mistake. I was unclear how the boycott came about. Re-reading your original post, I see that it was you calling for the boycott, not O'Reilly. I am curious how the poll was worded though. If it's typical Bill logic, I envision a poll with completely false choices like: <tongue in cheek, NOT AN ACTUAL "FACTOR" POLL QUESTION!> Q: If your daughter was raped and the offender got a light sentence, you would... A: Kill the judge B: Blame the liberals C: Boycott the state D: Invade Vermont </tongue in cheek> My web blocker software forbids me from visiting FOX news, so I cannot verify the actual poll question referenced by CCJ. Sorry.
